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I'm always still in trouble again
"You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
"Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
"Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman
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Originally posted by Tassman View PostNot such a bad track record, actually, despite the typical 'Rogue' spin. The MSM record (outside of the Fox/Breitbart Trumpian clique) correctly argues that Mueller's Report is far more damning than Trump and co have acknowledged. This is obvious to anyone whose read it.
“The document details a vast web of connections between the Trump campaign and Russia: Trump associates met with Russians more than 100 times. There are numerous instances in which Mueller’s team caught Trump aides or allies lying to the public about aspects of the investigation.
Mueller also detailed multiple instances of Trump pressuring those around him in regard to the investigation. “The President’s efforts to influence the investigation were mostly unsuccessful,” according to the report, “but that is largely because the persons who surrounded the President declined to carry out orders or accede to his requests.”
http://time.com/5573563/white-house-...eport-victory/
I'm always still in trouble again
"You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
"Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
"Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman
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Originally posted by seer View PostThis may get interesting:
Joe Biden's 2020 Ukrainian nightmare: A closed probe is revived
https://thehill.com/opinion/white-ho...obe-is-revivedThe first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by rogue06 View Post
But sure, they're in the minority. But things like this usually start with a trickle although in an era where the MSM being concerned with being regarded as dependable and nonpartisan is all but extinct it may take longer than it would have not so very long ago.“He felt that his whole life was a kind of dream and he sometimes wondered whose it was and whether they were enjoying it.” - Douglas Adams.
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Originally posted by Cow Poke View PostIt wasn't Mueller's job to "exonerate" anybody. His job was to look for evidence of collusion (remember? That's what this was all about?) and he found none.
Where did you find this new talking point about "conspiracy"? I seem to have missed that one. The rest of your herd is moving on to impeachment/not impeachment.
Now we shall see just how much of that Trump can obstruct, by refusing to hand over documents etc.“He felt that his whole life was a kind of dream and he sometimes wondered whose it was and whether they were enjoying it.” - Douglas Adams.
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Originally posted by Tassman View PostMueller did not pursue lines of inquiry that would lead him inexorably to indictments, because he always understood Department of Justice rules to preclude a sitting President from being indicted. What his Report DID show, however, is that Trump obstructed justice and that there was at least enough found by Mueller and his team to implicitly hand prosecutorial duties over to Congress.
Now we shall see just how much of that Trump can obstruct, by refusing to hand over documents etc.The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by Cow Poke View PostI have to admit, Tass, you're one of the less illiterate crazies we have on Tweb.
I listen to a growing list of brilliant podcasts. Maybe this weekend, I will do a review of a few titles.“I think God, in creating man, somewhat overestimated his ability.” ― Oscar Wilde
“And if there were a God, I think it very unlikely that He would have such an uneasy vanity as to be offended by those who doubt His existence” ― Bertrand Russell
“not all there” - you know who you are
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Originally posted by firstfloor View PostI agree ( excepting “crazies”). Now that Starlight is no longer among us, dear Tassman has to shine twice as brightly. He does so admirably.
I listen to a growing list of brilliant podcasts. Maybe this weekend, I will do a review of a few titles.The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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James Clapper Knew There Was No Evidence of Trump-Russia Collusion In 2016
Clapper is such a...
CHUCK TODD: Well, that’s an important revelation at this point. Let me ask you this. Does intelligence exist that can definitively answer the following question, whether there were improper contacts between the Trump campaign and Russian officials?
JAMES CLAPPER: We did not include any evidence in our report, and I say, ‘our,’ that’s N.S.A., F.B.I. and C.I.A., with my office, the Director of National Intelligence, that had anything, that had any reflection of collusion between members of the Trump campaign and the Russians. There was no evidence of that included in our report.
CHUCK TODD: I understand that. But does it exist?
JAMES CLAPPER: Not to my knowledge.
CHUCK TODD: If it existed, it would have been in this report?
JAMES CLAPPER: This could have unfolded or become available in the time since I left the government.
CHUCK TODD: At some–
JAMES CLAPPER: But at the time, we had no evidence of such collusion.The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by Cow Poke View PostJames Clapper Knew There Was No Evidence of Trump-Russia Collusion In 2016
Clapper is such a...
CHUCK TODD: Well, that’s an important revelation at this point. Let me ask you this. Does intelligence exist that can definitively answer the following question, whether there were improper contacts between the Trump campaign and Russian officials?
JAMES CLAPPER: We did not include any evidence in our report, and I say, ‘our,’ that’s N.S.A., F.B.I. and C.I.A., with my office, the Director of National Intelligence, that had anything, that had any reflection of collusion between members of the Trump campaign and the Russians. There was no evidence of that included in our report.
CHUCK TODD: I understand that. But does it exist?
JAMES CLAPPER: Not to my knowledge.
CHUCK TODD: If it existed, it would have been in this report?
JAMES CLAPPER: This could have unfolded or become available in the time since I left the government.
CHUCK TODD: At some–
JAMES CLAPPER: But at the time, we had no evidence of such collusion.
The funniest one to watch was disgraced former NBC Nightly News anchor Brian Williams (now banished to the MSNBC ghetto) who started off in full arrogant bluster which quickly reverted to an angry snarl when he talked to Trump's attorney
Brian Williams: “My first question, I’m afraid, is going to verge on plain English. Where did the attorney general get off with that characterization this morning, including four mentions that there was no collusion? What document was he reading, compared to the one we’re left with?”
Jay Sekulow responded, “Well, page two of the document says..." and read directly from the report totally schooling the pompous ass.
I'm always still in trouble again
"You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
"Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
"Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman
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Originally posted by rogue06 View PostAs I said, a few are starting to jump ship. Most have invested the entirety of what's left of their reputations in the Trump-colluded-with-the-Russians-and-stole-the-election myth and cannot afford to disengage from it.
And there are a few others aside from the aforementioned NBC's Justice Department correspondent Pete Williams, NBC Nightly News anchor Lester Holt, NBC Capitol Hill correspondent Kasie Hunt and CNN political analyst Chris Cillizza. For instance, Ken Dilanian, NBC News national security reporter, admitted on MSNBC's Kasie DC that the Mueller report was a "complete vindication" of Trump and on Twitter wrote:
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Also on MSNBC, right after the news broke, NBC national security and justice correspondent Julia Ainsley was reading the details, explaining that "Robert Mueller weighed in and said, 'that was not tacit. There was no coordination or conspiracy.'" causing host Katy Tur to interject, "So, this vindicates the President on collusion." Ainsley replied, "It does. So, it would vindicate him on collusion."
Over on CNN legal analyst Jeffrey Toobin announced that the report was a "total vindication" for Trump and the network's chief political analyst Gloria Bolger also said he was vindicated but in a very round about way
But if suddenly the president has to say those angry Democrats who were working with Bob Mueller were actually just part of a Justice Department doing its job after he has criticized the Justice Department, then he’s now vindicated.
This was in reaction to CNN's Justice Department correspondent Evan Perez's statement that "[Trump's] been vindicated."
And Jonathan Chait, former editor of New Republic and The American Prospect who now writes for New York magazine and the Los Angeles Times noted that the report "didn't exonerate Trump -- it vindicated him."
And that's just from those on the left. Numerous conservative journalists who openly opposed Trump or at the least were wary and skeptical are saying the same sort of things.
But sure, they're in the minority. But things like this usually start with a trickle although in an era where the MSM being concerned with being regarded as dependable and nonpartisan is all but extinct it may take longer than it would have not so very long ago.
[*Bolding added by rogue06*]
I'm always still in trouble again
"You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
"Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
"Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman
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Originally posted by rogue06 View PostThe trickle of defections continues. From Matt Taibbi over at Rolling Stone:Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
Than a fool in the eyes of God
From "Fools Gold" by Petra
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Originally posted by Mountain Man View PostLatest polling from Rasmussen says that the majority of voters see no grounds for impeachment.
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Originally posted by Mountain Man View PostLatest polling from Rasmussen says that the majority of voters see no grounds for impeachment.
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