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I'm always still in trouble again
"You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
"Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
"Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman
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Originally posted by JimL View PostDr Davis is not talking science, and the science says that the nervous system necessary for the experience of pain is not developed until at least the 28th week, the third trimester.
A 23 week old baby was born and survived. She had a fully functioning nervous system. Gee, I guess she WAS viable after all huh?
https://www.usatoday.com/story/life/...ds/1276867001/
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Originally posted by Sparko View PostDumbass,
A 23 week old baby was born and survived. She had a fully functioning nervous system. Gee, I guess she WAS viable after all huh?
https://www.usatoday.com/story/life/...ds/1276867001/
I'm always still in trouble again
"You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
"Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
"Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman
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Originally posted by JimL View PostSo, he disagrees with your other source who says that pain occurs in the developed brain. Besides that, 20 weeks is still the 2nd trimester and 90 something percent of abortions take place in the first trimester. Most abortions in the 2nd and 3rd trimesters are due to health concerns of the woman.The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by rogue06 View PostThe above is confirmed by Kanwaljeet Anand, a professor of pediatrics, anesthesiology and neurobiology at the University of Tennessee Health Science Center. Anand's research reveals that pain may indeed occur in a fetus, through other neurobiological mechanisms than in an adult, at 20 weeks post-fertilization (and possibly before that) directly challenging the 2010 report from the British Royal College of Obstetricians and Gynaecologists (RCOG) that since "connections from the periphery to the cortex are not intact before 24 weeks of gestation and, as most neuroscientists believe that the cortex is necessary for pain perception, it can be concluded that the fetus cannot experience pain in any sense prior to this gestation."
Please note that the RCOG's findings themselves question the 30 weeks claim.
And then there is this:
And the article continues at the above link.
The point being, it is anything but cut and dry.The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by Cow Poke View PostYou're floundering, Jimmy. Why don't you stick to something you actually know something about?Enter the Church and wash away your sins. For here there is a hospital and not a court of law. Do not be ashamed to enter the Church; be ashamed when you sin, but not when you repent. – St. John Chrysostom
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I recommend you do not try too hard and ...research as little as possible. Such weighty things give me a headache. - Shunyadragon, Baha'i apologist
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Originally posted by One Bad Pig View PostThat would be a WAY too restrictive set of topics.
I'm always still in trouble again
"You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
"Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
"Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman
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Originally posted by Chrawnus View PostPontificating about stuff he has no idea about is about the only thing he does know something about.The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by rogue06 View PostThat's akin to saying that it is none of our business when the mother leaves her newborn in a hot car with the windows rolled up since it's her choice.“He felt that his whole life was a kind of dream and he sometimes wondered whose it was and whether they were enjoying it.” - Douglas Adams.
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Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
Is that a fact?
The old, uninformed notions that unborn and newborn babies could not feel pain are refuted by a growing body of scientific evidence. The published scientific literature shows that unborn babies can experience pain at 20 weeks gestational age (20 weeks LMP, since Last Menstrual Period, the fetal age estimate used by most obstetricians) or earlier.“He felt that his whole life was a kind of dream and he sometimes wondered whose it was and whether they were enjoying it.” - Douglas Adams.
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Originally posted by Tassman View PostIt’s not “akin” in any meaningful sense at all. The difference is between an insensate, non-viable fetus and a sentient newborn child.
I'm always still in trouble again
"You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
"Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
"Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman
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Originally posted by Tassman View PostGiven that the vast majority of abortions are performed during the first 12 weeks, i.e. the first trimester, this is not an issue.Last edited by rogue06; 06-26-2019, 02:34 AM.
I'm always still in trouble again
"You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
"Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
"Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman
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Originally posted by rogue06 View PostAs been shown what you call an insensate, non-viable fetus and a sentient newborn child isn't nearly as distinct as you seem to think. A 23 week old baby was recently given birth to and survived. In your book that was impossible.“He felt that his whole life was a kind of dream and he sometimes wondered whose it was and whether they were enjoying it.” - Douglas Adams.
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Originally posted by rogue06 View PostNot to those aborted after. Do you accept the notion that the vast majority of firearms are never used illegally much less to would or kill so we shouldn't have any restrictions on them? And keep in mind how energetically the left is to push for third trimester abortions right up to the point of delivery.“He felt that his whole life was a kind of dream and he sometimes wondered whose it was and whether they were enjoying it.” - Douglas Adams.
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