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Originally posted by rogue06 View PostAs been shown what you call an insensate, non-viable fetus and a sentient newborn child isn't nearly as distinct as you seem to think. A 23 week old baby was recently given birth to and survived. In your book that was impossible.The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by Tassmoron View PostAnd the distinction between an insensate, non-viable fetus at 12 weeks and a sentient newborn child IS quite distinct.Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
Than a fool in the eyes of God
From "Fools Gold" by Petra
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Originally posted by Sparko View PostDumbass,
A 23 week old baby was born and survived. She had a fully functioning nervous system. Gee, I guess she WAS viable after all huh?
https://www.usatoday.com/story/life/...ds/1276867001/
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Originally posted by JimL View PostI'm telling you what the science says, and though the time line is controversial, this new born is still 23 weeks, the second trimester, not the first, and most all of these babies are born with terrible medical problems. Again, 90% of abortions are performed in the first trimester and those performed later along are decisions made by the women and their doctors for medical reasons.
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Originally posted by JimLamebrain View PostI'm telling you what the science says [...] the second trimester...Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
Than a fool in the eyes of God
From "Fools Gold" by Petra
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Originally posted by JimL View PostI'm telling you what the science says, and though the time line is controversial, this new born is still 23 weeks, the second trimester, not the first, and most all of these babies are born with terrible medical problems. Again, 90% of abortions are performed in the first trimester and those performed later along are decisions made by the women and their doctors for medical reasons.Enter the Church and wash away your sins. For here there is a hospital and not a court of law. Do not be ashamed to enter the Church; be ashamed when you sin, but not when you repent. – St. John Chrysostom
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Originally posted by Sparko View PostLOL - Jim, you were saying they didn't have a brain at 28 weeks. Here is a baby at 23 weeks with a brain.
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Originally posted by JimL View PostNo, I didn't say anything about a brain per se. I said that according to the science, and I even cited it for you, that the proper nervous system neuronal connections necessary to experience pain were not developed until 28 weeks.The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by JimL View PostNo, I didn't say anything about a brain per se. I said that according to the science, and I even cited it for you, that the proper nervous system neuronal connections necessary to experience pain were not developed until 28 weeks.
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Originally posted by Mountain Man View PostConsider what would happen to a newborn baby if left alone in the woods for 48-hours, and then we can discuss the definition of "viable".
I'm always still in trouble again
"You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
"Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
"Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman
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Originally posted by Sparko View PostLOL - Jim, you were saying they didn't have a brain at 28 weeks. Here is a baby at 23 weeks with a brain.
I'm always still in trouble again
"You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
"Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
"Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman
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“Pain receptors (nociceptors) are present throughout the unborn child’s entire body and nerves link these receptors to the brain’s thalamus and subcortical plate by no later than 20 weeks after fertilization,” the Pain-Capable Unborn Child Protection Act says.
20 weeks is a “uniquely vulnerable time, since the pain system is fully established, yet the higher level pain-modifying system has barely begun to develop,” according to Dr. Paul Ranalli, a neurologist at the University of Toronto. This suggests 20-week-old babies might feel pain more acutely than older people.
“The embryological evidence of development of nervous system is pretty well-defined,” Dr. Kathi Aultman, a board certified OB/GYN, ACOG fellow, and former abortionist told LifeSiteNews. “And there isn’t much argument about how well developed the nervous system is at 20 weeks.”
“It is clear that the fetus is capable of mounting a physiochemical stress response to noxious stimuli as early as 18 weeks gestation,” the leading textbook on clinical anesthesia, Essential Clinical Anesthesia (published by Cambridge University Press), says. Eighteen weeks gestation is 16 weeks post-fertilization.
https://www.lifesitenews.com/blogs/t...m_campaign=LSN
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If you guys think I as as someone who mostly identifies with the Democratic Party in the US (if I were to move there, become a citizen and vote), would in any way excuse or apologize for this kind of behavior.
The Democratic party in the US has some growing to do. They've become lazy, and allowed too much to slide.
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