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    Quote Originally Posted by rogue06 View Post
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    I don't think that either party represents the mainstream social views of America in that I really don't hear a whole lot of clamoring for letting men into women's bathrooms and showering facilities, or letting men compete in women's sports, or permitting abortions right up to the moment of birth (or even after the birth)
    Yeah, at this point, I think if it were POSSIBLE to launch a "common sense" party, they could appeal to "let's focus on the areas where we agree, and not so much on the areas where we're at war". But that's another planet.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rogue06 View Post
    Nice seeing you around again

    I don't think that either party represents the mainstream social views of America in that I really don't hear a whole lot of clamoring for letting men into women's bathrooms and showering facilities, or letting men compete in women's sports, or permitting abortions right up to the moment of birth (or even after the birth)
    There's also not many Americans that want Roe overturned, the transgendered to be banned from the military, for the drug war to continue, for a wall to be built, or for current gun laws to remain stagnant, but that hasn't stopped the Republicans any.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sea of red View Post
    There's also not many Americans that want Roe overturned, the transgendered to be banned from the military, for the drug war to continue, for a wall to be built, or for current gun laws to remain stagnant, but that hasn't stopped the Republicans any.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cow Poke View Post
    Yeah, at this point, I think if it were POSSIBLE to launch a "common sense" party, they could appeal to "let's focus on the areas where we agree, and not so much on the areas where we're at war". But that's another planet.
    Well, the bottom line is this: the system isn't built for this.

    Conservatives and liberals hate each others guts at this point, and are fighting for their way to be the law, which makes the other side miserable and resentful when the other is in power. This idea that "we have more in common than apart" is just pretty talk that isn't based in reality.

    Democracy can make people get along.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rogue06 View Post
    Considering how much Trump changed his positions on abortion, immigration, taxes, gun control etc., the right really can't say a whole lot about flip flopping.
    As far as I know, Trump reevaluated many of his social positions long before running for president, and he's been admirably steadfast and consistent in maintaining them, so I'm not sure that counts as a flip-flop where a politician says one thing today and another tomorrow depending on which way the political winds are blowing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sea of red View Post
    Well, the bottom line is this: the system isn't built for this.

    Conservatives and liberals hate each others guts at this point, and are fighting for their way to be the law, which makes the other side miserable and resentful when the other is in power. This idea that "we have more in common than apart" is just pretty talk that isn't based in reality.

    Democracy can make people get along.
    I'm guessing you mis-typed that last sentence, eh?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sea of red View Post
    Democracy can make people get along.
    Tell that to the lamb when he and two wolves are democratically deciding what to have for dinner.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sea of red View Post
    There's also not many Americans that want Roe overturned, the transgendered to be banned from the military, for the drug war to continue, for a wall to be built, or for current gun laws to remain stagnant, but that hasn't stopped the Republicans any.
    I will note that a significant majority do want to see significant restrictions on abortions, acutely modifying Roe, really don't care or think about transgendered in the military, and are not eager to see the government confiscating firearms ETA: and would like to see the current laws on the books enforced. As for the drug war, there are an awful lot of conservatives onboard for at least decriminalizing if not legalizing marijuana, and favoring treatment options over incarceration.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cow Poke View Post
    I'm guessing you mis-typed that last sentence, eh?
    Yup.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mountain Man View Post
    As far as I know, Trump reevaluated many of his social positions long before running for president, and he's been admirably steadfast and consistent in maintaining them, so I'm not sure that counts as a flip-flop where a politician says thing today and another tomorrow depending on which way the political winds are blowing.
    Dude, it's all fake. He's not sincere at all.

    There are videos of him praising Clinton just two or three years before running, going on about socially liberal policies, and at times going so far as to support gun control.

    The only thing the guy has remained consistent on is immigration and tariffs. Everything else he has flipped on a dozen times, sometimes within days.

    Let's be real: the guy's a lair. It's cool if his sincerity doesn't matter to you, so long as he does what you want, but be honest about that, and don't pretend you can't see that he's a liar.

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