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  • Originally posted by rogue06 View Post
    It's the part that are driving all the Democrats into seeing who can be further to the left of the others -- and that is the part currently controlling the party.

    But you're right in that it would be surprising if they are that open about it in their platform. More likely they'll just have some empty platitudes about protecting the right of a woman to kill her unborn baby which will of course now includes right up to the moment of birth but won't explicitly say that.
    Do you believe that if the womans life is at stake that she should have the right to abort after the 1st trimester? Roe v Wade doesn't legalize abortion across the board, there are stipulations and those decisions are made by the woman and her doctor. What you Pro lifers want to do is to take the womens right to make decisions about their own health out of their, and their doctors hands, and put it in the hands of the government.

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    • Originally posted by JimL View Post
      Do you believe that if the womans life is at stake that she should have the right to abort after the 1st trimester? Roe v Wade doesn't legalize abortion across the board, there are stipulations and those decisions are made by the woman and her doctor. What you Pro lifers want to do is to take the womens right to make decisions about their own health out of their, and their doctors hands, and put it in the hands of the government.
      Less than 1% of abortions are done for medical reasons. Besides, it’s hilarious that the party pushing for a total government take over of the healthcare system are the ones complaining about the government being involved in healthcare decisions.
      Last edited by lilpixieofterror; 06-20-2019, 07:01 AM.
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      • Originally posted by lilpixieofterror View Post
        Less than 1% of abortions are done for medical reasons. Besides, it’s hilarious that the party pushing for a total government take over of the healthcare system are the ones complaining about the government being involved in healthcare decisions.
        Some 90%, the vast majority of abortions, are performed in the first trimester. And your second statement is meaningless.

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        • Originally posted by JimL View Post
          Some 90%, the vast majority of abortions, are performed in the first trimester. And your second statement is meaningless.
          That doesn’t change the fact that 99% of abortions have not a thing to do with health or safety. Besides, most liberals only believe the lies of abortion when talking about abortion, but rarely live it out in their daily lives.
          "The man from the yacht thought he was the first to find England; I thought I was the first to find Europe. I did try to found a heresy of my own; and when I had put the last touches to it, I discovered that it was orthodoxy."
          GK Chesterton; Orthodoxy

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          • Originally posted by lilpixieofterror View Post
            That doesn’t change the fact that 99% of abortions have not a thing to do with health or safety.
            It depends on how you define "health and safety" because a lot of liberals lump "mental health" and social and economic "safety" under those banners.
            Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
            But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
            Than a fool in the eyes of God


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            • Originally posted by Mountain Man View Post
              It depends on how you define "health and safety" because a lot of liberals lump "mental health" and social and economic "safety" under those banners.
              Even lumping those factors in still doesn’t get you over 10%.
              "The man from the yacht thought he was the first to find England; I thought I was the first to find Europe. I did try to found a heresy of my own; and when I had put the last touches to it, I discovered that it was orthodoxy."
              GK Chesterton; Orthodoxy

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              • Originally posted by JimL View Post
                Some 90%, the vast majority of abortions, are performed in the first trimester.
                This somehow manages to completely avoid lilpix's point. Abortion is almost never a matter of life or death for the mother. It is ALWAYS a matter of life or death for the baby.
                And your second statement is meaningless.
                Well, aside from pointing out your rank hypocrisy....
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                • Originally posted by lilpixieofterror View Post
                  Even lumping those factors in still doesn’t get you over 10%.
                  Again, it all depends on how broadly you define the term "health and safety", and liberals are compelled to define it as broadly as possible.
                  Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
                  But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
                  Than a fool in the eyes of God


                  From "Fools Gold" by Petra

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                  • Originally posted by lilpixieofterror View Post
                    That doesn’t change the fact that 99% of abortions have not a thing to do with health or safety. Besides, most liberals only believe the lies of abortion when talking about abortion, but rarely live it out in their daily lives.
                    As usual, not the point. Roe v Wade leaves the decision concerning the personhood of a fetus in the 1st trimester, the point at which the great majority of abortions a performed, up to the woman, not up to the government. After a certain point in the pregnancy process it is a medical decision to be made by the woman and her doctor. The reason that some 90% of abortions have nothing to do with the health and safety of the women is because some 90% of abortions are performed in the first trimester.

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                    • Originally posted by JimL View Post
                      As usual, not the point. Roe v Wade leaves the decision concerning the personhood of a fetus in the 1st trimester, the point at which the great majority of abortions a performed, up to the woman, not up to the government. After a certain point in the pregnancy process it is a medical decision to be made by the woman and her doctor. The reason that some 90% of abortions have nothing to do with the health and safety of the women is because some 90% of abortions are performed in the first trimester.
                      You just admitted she was right and you are wrong. Nice.

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                      • Originally posted by JimL View Post
                        As usual, not the point. Roe v Wade leaves the decision concerning the personhood of a fetus in the 1st trimester, the point at which the great majority of abortions a performed, up to the woman, not up to the government. After a certain point in the pregnancy process it is a medical decision to be made by the woman and her doctor. The reason that some 90% of abortions have nothing to do with the health and safety of the women is because some 90% of abortions are performed in the first trimester.
                        *complains about government making decisions for women’s ‘healthcare’, cites government officials making decisions for women’s ‘healthcare’ to back up his position.*

                        Don’t you go and change Jimmy. Your post speaks for itself.
                        "The man from the yacht thought he was the first to find England; I thought I was the first to find Europe. I did try to found a heresy of my own; and when I had put the last touches to it, I discovered that it was orthodoxy."
                        GK Chesterton; Orthodoxy

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                        • Originally posted by JimL View Post
                          As usual, not the point.
                          You have a tell, Jimmy. Whenever you cite something as "usual", you're about to tell a big'un.
                          The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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                          • Originally posted by Sparko View Post
                            You just admitted she was right and you are wrong.
                            No, he didn’t. He recognized that the vast majority of abortions occur during the first trimester, before the fetus is viable, and the issue is one of the woman’s choice. It’s only after fetal viability that the “health and safety of the women” needs to be taken into account.
                            “He felt that his whole life was a kind of dream and he sometimes wondered whose it was and whether they were enjoying it.” - Douglas Adams.

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                            • Originally posted by lilpixieofterror View Post
                              *complains about government making decisions for women’s ‘healthcare’, cites government officials making decisions for women’s ‘healthcare’ to back up his position.*

                              Don’t you go and change Jimmy. Your post speaks for itself.
                              It's like when pro-abortionists whine about how a group of men (law makers) shouldn't be telling women whether they can or can't kill their unborn babies and yet are more than happy when a group of men (SCOTUS) told women whether they can or can't kill their unborn babies.

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                              • Originally posted by Tassman View Post
                                No, he didn’t. He recognized that the vast majority of abortions occur during the first trimester, before the fetus is viable, and the issue is one of the woman’s choice. It’s only after fetal viability that the “health and safety of the women” needs to be taken into account.
                                I’ve been pregnant several times and do you know how many times I heard an OB/GYN or fetal medicine doctor refer to a baby during the first trimester as ‘non viable’ because it’s in the first trimester? None because in reality non viable means there’s a serious problem affecting the fetus that makes chances of survival low to nearly impossible.
                                "The man from the yacht thought he was the first to find England; I thought I was the first to find Europe. I did try to found a heresy of my own; and when I had put the last touches to it, I discovered that it was orthodoxy."
                                GK Chesterton; Orthodoxy

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