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  • Originally posted by One Bad Pig View Post
    The kind Tassman likes?

    EGGzackly! And the kind the liberal media likes!
    The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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    • Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
      So, what we know is that Buttigieg is a practicing homosexual. He's quite proud of that.
      Oh really? Are you “proud” of being a “practicing” heterosexual...why would anyone be "proud" of their sexual orientation?

      What we do NOT know is that Buttigieg is a practicing Christian. There's not much proof of that.
      This is your view. He would disagree.

      In fact, Buttigieg speaks proudly, relentlessly and profusely of his homosexuality, and abortion on demand for virtually any stage of pregnancy.
      He does NOT speak of Christ, Salvation, sin, confession, repentance.
      You are applying the current Evangelical agenda regarding morality to someone who is not an Evangelical. Buttigieg is an Episcopalian with a different understanding of Christian morality….an understanding that is shared by the majority of US Christians. But you are entitled to believe everyone is out of step but you, if you wish. .

      Still searching for any hint that Buttigieg is actually a "practicing Christian", I find nothing.
      Of course you don't.

      However, according to Tassman's favorite authority on the faith, Albert Mohler....

      Yet, Buttigieg demands that evangelical Christians ‘evolve’ their understanding of holy Scripture. The biblically orthodox interpretation of sexuality represents an antiquated morality from a culturally dated book. In Buttigieg’s view, we ought to keep the universal principles but jettison the culturally and socially inconvenient passages that do not square with our modern, moral ideology. Christians must, in short, redefine biblical sexuality in unbiblical terms.


      "Jettison the culturally and socially inconvenient passages"? As I have been stating, and Tassman has been incapable of countering, Buttigieg makes no attempt whatsoever to "interpret" the Bible - he simply ignores the scripture that deals with his choice to live in sin - in effect, giving the Bible the middle finger.

      And this, from the same source...

      Try as he may, Buttigieg and progressive, liberal Protestantism cannot contort the Scriptures and make Jesus an advocate for abortion and gay marriage. To do so means that entire passages of the Bible must be ripped out of their context or denied completely.


      What kind of "practicing Christian" does that?
      Wow, that’s convincing. One Evangelical Christian citing another Evangelical Christian to support his minority argument. It’s hardly surprising that you can find “no hint that Buttigieg is actually a practicing Christian", is it?

      In “practice” nothing is fixed. Christians throughout history have understood certain scripture passages in such a way as to conform to the social values of the day. The “practice” of many Southern Baptist slave-owners being a case in point as was the emancipation of whole categories of people from blacks, to women and now homosexuals.

      You are on the wrong side of history. But you can die happy in the knowledge that God's on your side and that you were right and everyone else was wrong.
      Last edited by Tassman; 05-20-2019, 12:03 AM.
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      • Originally posted by Tassman View Post
        Christians throughout history have understood certain scripture passages in such a way as to conform to the social values of the day.
        And injustices and atrocities have ever been the outcome. As an attempt at persuasion, your mantra fails.
        1Cor 15:34 Come to your senses as you ought and stop sinning; for I say to your shame, there are some who know not God.
        .
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        Scripture before Tradition:
        but that won't prevent others from
        taking it upon themselves to deprive you
        of the right to call yourself Christian.

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        • Originally posted by JimL View Post
          This began with you claiming that Mayor Pete and others just ignore those parts of the bible they don't agree with. I simply showed how you do the same. God commanded that human beings stone and burn to death other human beings. That is inhumane in the first place, never mind the actions of a loving god. You remained silent, or in other words ignored that part of the bible you didn't agree with. Others admitted to it but made excuses for it such as it was a different time and culture as if that would have anything at all to do with a Gods moral nature. Perhaps you think it a moral good and that we should still stone people to death for picking up sticks on the Sabbath!
          Those laws were just for the Hebrews, Jimmy. We have told you that many times. The old covenant law was for their justice system. Not for all mankind. The moral code remains but the sacrifices for sin, the punishments for sin, were just for the Hebrews. Jesus gave us a new covenant.

          So while homosexuality is still morally wrong, we don't stone them. We also don't keep the ceremonial laws like wearing mixed materials or eating certain foods. If you want to actually score points against us, it would help if you did a bit of studying instead of burning straw men.

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          • Originally posted by JimL View Post
            Paster CP, you seem not to realize that the God of the covenant with the Jews is the same god of the new covenant. They are the same god, CP. Stoning human beings to death for picking up sticks on the Sabbath is either immoral or it is not, yet the biblical god contradicts himself. Or perhaps you think that as long as god does it, nothing is immoral.
            Why is it immoral to stone someone for sinning?

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            • Originally posted by Sparko View Post
              So while homosexuality is still morally wrong, we don't stone them. We also don't keep the ceremonial laws like wearing mixed materials or eating certain foods. If you want to actually score points against us, it would help if you did a bit of studying instead of burning straw men.
              JimL comes across as someone who is so convinced of Christianity's obvious inferiority that there's no need to put forth any effort in refuting it. You'd think he'd learn otherwise after a sufficient quantity of boots to the head, but his smug superiority appears to be invincible.
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              • Originally posted by Tassman View Post
                Oh really? Are you “proud” of being a “practicing” heterosexual...why would anyone be "proud" of their sexual orientation?
                I certainly don't try work it into every conversation, or base my identity on it.

                This is your view. He would disagree.
                Show me where he actually claims to be a 'practicing Christian'. It's the media and you homocentric anti-Christian bigots who are calling him that.
                The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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                • Originally posted by Sparko View Post
                  Why is it immoral to stone someone for sinning?
                  Why are we allowing him to derail this conversation with rank stupidity?
                  The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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                  • Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
                    Show me where he actually claims to be a 'practicing Christian'.
                    Over here - it's an interesting write up without all the hype.
                    1Cor 15:34 Come to your senses as you ought and stop sinning; for I say to your shame, there are some who know not God.
                    .
                    ⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛
                    Scripture before Tradition:
                    but that won't prevent others from
                    taking it upon themselves to deprive you
                    of the right to call yourself Christian.

                    ⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛

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                    • Originally posted by tabibito View Post
                      Over here - it's an interesting write up without all the hype.
                      That's called "argument by weblink" which is a no-no. Can you please cite the part where Buttigieg himself claims to be a practicing Christian.

                      And, more importantly, where he, as a "practicing Christian" interprets, rather than outright ignores, the relevant scriptures concerning homosexuality?

                      Thanks
                      The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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                      • Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
                        Why are we allowing him to derail this conversation with rank stupidity?
                        Maybe he is stoned?

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                        • Originally posted by Sparko View Post
                          Those laws were just for the Hebrews, Jimmy. We have told you that many times. The old covenant law was for their justice system. Not for all mankind. The moral code remains but the sacrifices for sin, the punishments for sin, were just for the Hebrews. Jesus gave us a new covenant.
                          So your argument is that morality is dependent on the culture? I would have thought it was objective, and dependent on god. Who Knew!
                          So while homosexuality is still morally wrong, we don't stone them.
                          Right, so stoning and or burning people to death was moral at one time, but it is no longer moral. Do you people ever think about what you are saying?
                          We also don't keep the ceremonial laws like wearing mixed materials or eating certain foods. If you want to actually score points against us, it would help if you did a bit of studying instead of burning straw men.
                          True, because it was simple custom and not actually immoral. If such customs as those were still in effect, they wouldn't be considered immoral, but stoning and burning people to death for picking up sticks on the Sabbath is. Ergo, those moral laws had nothing to do with devine commands from god, something you christians ignore.

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                          • Originally posted by Tassman View Post
                            Oh really? Are you “proud” of being a “practicing” heterosexual...
                            As stated, I don't make it an issue. It doesn't define who I am, and I don't manage to work in into every discussion, interview, article, conversation....

                            why would anyone be "proud" of their sexual orientation?
                            In Buttigieg's case, it's the ONLY reason you and others are interested in his "faith". It's the ONLY reason he's an 'acceptable' "Christian" to you, not because he's a "practicing Christian", but because he's a homosexual, a champion of abortion, and pretty much an extreme leftist.
                            The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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                            • Originally posted by Sparko View Post
                              Why is it immoral to stone someone for sinning?
                              Do you think it moral to stone and burn people to death for picking up sticks on the Sabbath, Sparko?

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                              • Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
                                That's called "argument by weblink" which is a no-no. Can you please cite the part where Buttigieg himself claims to be a practicing Christian.

                                And, more importantly, where he, as a "practicing Christian" interprets, rather than outright ignores, the relevant scriptures concerning homosexuality?

                                Thanks
                                The article is one of those that is repeating parts of other articles. sigh.

                                But following one of the links in it I see:


                                Now, he said, he understands why people believe the Christian faith leads them to oppose same-sex marriage, but hopes they encounter scripture interpreted a different way.

                                “I hope that teachings about inclusion and love win out over what I personally consider to be a handful of scriptures that reflect the moral expectations of the era in which they were recorded,” he said.
                                https://www.washingtonpost.com/relig...=.2141dc11248e


                                Which shows he isn't interpreting scripture at all, he is ignoring it as some sort of "cultural thing" that men made up, not God.

                                So basically he has a Smorgasbord style Christianity. He just picks the parts of the buffet he likes and ignores the rest.

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