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    Quote Originally Posted by JimL View Post
    The golden rule, Sparko. Think about it! Now you answer the question. Do you think that stoning and burning human beings to death for any reason is moral?
    I was asking YOU why it would be immoral, Mr. Agnostic. What reason do you think it is immoral? What's your basis for judging morality? You claim that morals are just a function of a society. So if a society decides to give capital punishment for picking up sticks, how is that any different from a society who decides to give capital punishment for selling state secrets to the enemy?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sparko View Post
    The article is one of those that is repeating parts of other articles. sigh.

    But following one of the links in it I see:


    Now, he said, he understands why people believe the Christian faith leads them to oppose same-sex marriage, but hopes they encounter scripture interpreted a different way.

    “I hope that teachings about inclusion and love win out over what I personally consider to be a handful of scriptures that reflect the moral expectations of the era in which they were recorded,” he said.
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/relig...=.2141dc11248e


    Which shows he isn't interpreting scripture at all, he is ignoring it as some sort of "cultural thing" that men made up, not God.

    So basically he has a Smorgasbord style Christianity. He just picks the parts of the buffet he likes and ignores the rest.
    So, nothing at all about accepting Christ as Savior, sin, repentance... Just "let's all hold hands and sing kum-ba-yah, and ignore what the Bible actually says".
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    Quote Originally Posted by JimL View Post
    Inferiority has nothing to do with it, it's mythology woven into a history, and I've refuted it plenty.


    Now that's what I call an ironic accussation.
    Thanks for proving my point, Jim.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cow Poke View Post
    So, nothing at all about accepting Christ as Savior, sin, repentance... Just "let's all hold hands and sing kum-ba-yah, and ignore what the Bible actually says".
    nope. Just picking what parts he likes (inclusion, love) and ignoring the parts he doesn't (sin, punishment)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sparko View Post
    nope. Just picking what parts he likes (inclusion, love) and ignoring the parts he doesn't (sin, punishment)
    So, the burden is still on Tassman to back up his claim that Buttigieg is a "practicing Christian" who "interprets" the scriptures regarding homosexuality differently, as opposed to just outright ignoring them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by One Bad Pig View Post
    Thanks for proving my point, Jim.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cow Poke View Post
    That's called "argument by weblink" which is a no-no. Can you please cite the part where Buttigieg himself claims to be a practicing Christian.

    And, more importantly, where he, as a "practicing Christian" interprets, rather than outright ignores, the relevant scriptures concerning homosexuality?

    Thanks
    You asked "Show me where he actually claims to be a 'practicing Christian'." No argument involved - just a link that shows where he makes the claim (or so I thought) per your request.
    It's clear enough that he considers himself a Christian, even without the information in this piece quoting him:
    “When I think about where most of Scripture points me, it is toward defending the poor, and the immigrant, and the stranger, and the prisoner, and the outcast, and those who are left behind by the way society works. And what we have now is this exaltation of wealth and power, almost for its own sake, that in my reading of Scripture couldn't be more contrary to the message of Christianity."
    https://www.usatoday.com/story/opini...mn/3342767002/
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  8. Amen JimL amen'd this post.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tabibito View Post
    You asked "Show me where he actually claims to be a 'practicing Christian'." No argument involved - just a link that shows where he makes the claim (or so I thought) per your request.
    But I don't think it actually indicates that he, himself, claims to be a "practicing Christian", correct? That's all I'm asking. There are plenty of people who ASSUME that, but I don't see himself making that claim.

    It's clear enough that he considers himself a Christian, even without the information in this piece quoting him:
    Tassman explicitly cites that Buttigieg claims to be a "practicing Christian".

    “When I think about where most of Scripture points me, it is toward defending the poor, and the immigrant, and the stranger, and the prisoner, and the outcast, and those who are left behind by the way society works. And what we have now is this exaltation of wealth and power, almost for its own sake, that in my reading of Scripture couldn't be more contrary to the message of Christianity."
    https://www.usatoday.com/story/opini...mn/3342767002/
    Sure, he has a very dismissive view of the Bible in favor of his "faith" of Liberation Theology.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cow Poke View Post
    Sure, he has a very dismissive view of the Bible in favor of his "faith" of Liberation Theology.
    Well yes - but I've got a war on my hands right now about OSAS (which can only be valid if "faith alone" holds true.) ... which is promoted by some and opposed by others, with both groups claiming to be Christian. People holding the wrong view on that issue are no less imperilled. But I don't think either side is willing to call the other "not Christian" for all that one of them is certainly ignoring even broader swathes of scripture than are devoted to homosexual relationships.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tabibito View Post
    Well yes - but I've got a war on my hands right now about OSAS (which can only be valid if "faith alone" holds true.) ... which is promoted by some and opposed by others, with both groups claiming to be Christian. People holding the wrong view on that issue are no less imperilled. But I don't think either side is willing to call the other "not Christian" for all that one of them is certainly ignoring even broader swathes of scripture than are devoted to homosexual relationships.
    OK, lemme be more clear.... I don't know if he's "practicing Christian" or not - there appears to be little support for that, but I really have no way of knowing - I'd be arguing from silence. I haven't seen anything at all where he claims to be a practicing Christian, I've never seen anything where he claimed to accept Christ as Savior, believes the Bible is more than "just a book", or even has a prayer life (he seemed rather dismissive of the concept of prayer).

    So, I'm not asking "is he a Christian" or even debating whether he is or is not. All I'm asking is - in light of the anti-Christian crowd proclaiming him "a practicing Christian" - has he ever made that claim himself?

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