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Originally posted by Cow Poke View PostNope....
I had to correct the little Reverend and point out that he had no evidence whatsoever that Buttigieg interpreted the scriptures in any manner whatsoever, and pointed out that he simply ignored them to justify his life of sin. He's been trying to do a kabuki dance away from that ever since.
A) You're wrong, and
2) you're about to double down on your profound ignorance of theology.
You seem incapable of understanding that God had a Covenant for the Jews (the OLD TESTAMENT) and Jesus instituted the New Covenant - NEW TESTAMENT - with his blood -
Jimmy, when it comes to the Bible, you're even dumber than you are about the legal system. It's astonishing!
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Originally posted by JimL View PostWrong. With me it began with you saying Butigieg ignored those parts of the bible he didn't agree with. My reply was that, so do you. Or do you believe it moral to stone human beings to death for picking up sticks on the Sabbath. Jesus apparently disagreed with it, and his reasoning had nothing to do with the times, the place, or the culture. Problem is that Jesus and YHWH are said to be one and the same god.1Cor 15:34 Come to your senses as you ought and stop sinning; for I say to your shame, there are some who know not God.
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Scripture before Tradition:
but that won't prevent others from
taking it upon themselves to deprive you
of the right to call yourself Christian.
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Originally posted by JimL View PostPaster CP, you seem not to realize that the God of the covenant with the Jews is the same god of the new covenant.
And it's PASTOR!!!!! Can't you speel ANYTHUNG WRIGHT!?!?!?! (Though I have been called Pester! )The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post(Though I have been called Pester! )
Originally posted by JimLstoning and burning human beings to death is immoral and abhorRent at any time and in any culture. That should inform you that the immoral, abhorrent* laws, didn't come from who you believe to be a loving god.
There have been very few cultures that didn't consider such things to be moral in certain circumstances. Particularly when it came to religious circumstances. The chief* interacting god of Ur was named "Sin" (nothing to do with the English word having the same sound.) Child sacrifice, passing babies and children through fire (burning them to death) etc and so forth were very much practices of the religion of the time. The whole idea that such things as burning or stoning people to death is immoral arises (in European cultures) from Christian teachings. You wouldn't have your current concepts of the immorality of such actions were it not for the culture of your upbringing that (sort of) upheld those teachings.
*there was a god (just one god) higher than Sin, but it was believed that he had no interaction with the physical world. His name was El.1Cor 15:34 Come to your senses as you ought and stop sinning; for I say to your shame, there are some who know not God.
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Scripture before Tradition:
but that won't prevent others from
taking it upon themselves to deprive you
of the right to call yourself Christian.
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Originally posted by JimL View PostPaster CP, you seem not to realize that the God of the covenant with the Jews is the same god of the new covenant. They are the same god, CP. Stoning human beings to death for picking up sticks on the Sabbath is either immoral or it is not, yet the biblical god contradicts himself. Or perhaps you think that as long as god does it, nothing is immoral.“He felt that his whole life was a kind of dream and he sometimes wondered whose it was and whether they were enjoying it.” - Douglas Adams.
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Originally posted by Cow Poke View PostSo, now you're a mind reader, too? You can't seem to keep your arguments straight --- YOU claimed the had a different interpretation of the scriptures, yet you keep failing to prove that, Rev Tassman.
Have you no shame or decency?“He felt that his whole life was a kind of dream and he sometimes wondered whose it was and whether they were enjoying it.” - Douglas Adams.
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Originally posted by rogue06 View PostYeah, he clearly has decided to do "what was right in his own eyes."
And guess what. Regardless of what he sees the adulterer, fornicator or homosexual who is not fighting temptation is indeed sinning.“He felt that his whole life was a kind of dream and he sometimes wondered whose it was and whether they were enjoying it.” - Douglas Adams.
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@ Tassman
Do we take it that you are on board with all those other things in that same list (including gossip) being moral wrongs? The only one you complain about is homosexuality ... some sort of fixation maybe?
Is it OK for gossips to have no access to heaven, but not homosexuals?1Cor 15:34 Come to your senses as you ought and stop sinning; for I say to your shame, there are some who know not God.
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Scripture before Tradition:
but that won't prevent others from
taking it upon themselves to deprive you
of the right to call yourself Christian.
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Originally posted by tabibito View Post@ Tassman
Do we take it that you are on board with all those other things in that same list (including gossip) being moral wrongs? The only one you complain about is homosexuality ... some sort of fixation maybe?
Is it OK for gossips to have no access to heaven, but not homosexuals?“He felt that his whole life was a kind of dream and he sometimes wondered whose it was and whether they were enjoying it.” - Douglas Adams.
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Originally posted by Tassman View PostThe topic is Buttigieg’s homosexuality, is it not?1Cor 15:34 Come to your senses as you ought and stop sinning; for I say to your shame, there are some who know not God.
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Scripture before Tradition:
but that won't prevent others from
taking it upon themselves to deprive you
of the right to call yourself Christian.
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Originally posted by Tassman View PostYou are the “mind reader” by insisting that Buttigieg ignores scripture he doesn't like.
You don’t know that.
He is an intelligent, well-educated, practicing Christian.
It is far more likely that he has come to his conclusions regarding homosexuality via his understanding of scripture than otherwise.
Fact: Homosexuality is condemned in the New Testament
Fact: "Practicing Christians" honor the New Testament
Fact: Buttigieg is a practicing homosexual
Fact: You can't produce a single example of Buttigieg referencing the scriptures condemning homosexuality
Logical conclusion: Buttigieg simply ignores those scriptures that condemn his lifestyle.
But, please, continue your kabuki dance!The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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So, what we know is that Buttigieg is a practicing homosexual. He's quite proud of that.
What we do NOT know is that Buttigieg is a practicing Christian. There's not much proof of that.
In fact, Buttigieg speaks proudly, relentlessly and profusely of his homosexuality, and abortion on demand for virtually any stage of pregnancy.
He does NOT speak of Christ, Salvation, sin, confession, repentance --- in that way, he's almost exactly like Trump.
Still searching for any hint that Buttigieg is actually a "practicing Christian", I find nothing.
However, according to Tassman's favorite authority on the faith, Albert Mohler....
Yet, Buttigieg demands that evangelical Christians ‘evolve’ their understanding of holy Scripture. The biblically orthodox interpretation of sexuality represents an antiquated morality from a culturally dated book. In Buttigieg’s view, we ought to keep the universal principles but jettison the culturally and socially inconvenient passages that do not square with our modern, moral ideology. Christians must, in short, redefine biblical sexuality in unbiblical terms.
"Jettison the culturally and socially inconvenient passages"? As I have been stating, and Tassman has been incapable of countering, Buttigieg makes no attempt whatsoever to "interpret" the Bible - he simply ignores the scripture that deals with his choice to live in sin - in effect, giving the Bible the middle finger.
And this, from the same source...
Try as he may, Buttigieg and progressive, liberal Protestantism cannot contort the Scriptures and make Jesus an advocate for abortion and gay marriage. To do so means that entire passages of the Bible must be ripped out of their context or denied completely.
What kind of "practicing Christian" does that?The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by Cow Poke View PostTry as he may, Buttigieg and progressive, liberal Protestantism cannot contort the Scriptures and make Jesus an advocate for abortion and gay marriage. To do so means that entire passages of the Bible must be ripped out of their context or denied completely.
What kind of "practicing Christian" does that?
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