Mayor Pete Attacks Trump's Faith...

[Tassman]

The calls for his resignation are from his constituents who likely know him the best

The calls for his resignation are from somehttps://southbendin.gov/official/mayor-pete-buttigieg/

whereas the big bucks comes from those who know little about him but they are enamoured by the fact that he's openly gay.

And you know that the big bucks only come from those rather than for his impressive credentials, his record as mayor and his potential as president, how exactly?

[rogue06]

The calls for his resignation are from somehttps://southbendin.gov/official/mayor-pete-buttigieg/

Still, his constituents are bound to know him better than a bunch of rich donors from Hollyweird, San Francisco, NYC and the like. And the most recent poll in Indiana gives Buttigeg a 35% favorable rating (which is about 10 points or more below Trump's favorability rating^[1]. So if you want to call that successful...

And you know that the big bucks only come from those rather than for his impressive credentials, his record as mayor and his potential as president, how exactly?

Oh please do tell. Why don't you list "his impressive credentials" for us? smiley waiting2.gif








1, To be fair, while his favorable rating is well below that of Trump's his unfavorability a great deal below Trump's as well being at 25%.

[oxmixmudd]

That's nonsense. Perhaps they had not formally renounced it until then, but that doesn't mean it was "officially" in favor of segregation up until that point. Or can you point to any official statements of the church in the 1990-1994 range (when you claim they had the official position of being in favor of segregation) that state a preference for segregation?

That would depend pn the church, snd what part of the country you were in at the time.

What Tassman may not know is that the SBC is not the sort of homogenious denomination that say the episcopalians or methodists are. Each congregation is very much independent of the next and self governing, and they are proud of that fact. They collectively have seminaries and a missions program, but there is no extensive universal theological statement all SBC churches abide by.

Jim

[Cow Poke]

I never implied any such thing, ya Goofus! How does your brain manage to twist things up so badly so frequently?

[Cow Poke]

If not then the SBC would have done well to alter its official position long before 1995....

It did, goofus - 1995 was the official resolution.

[Terraceth]

If not then the SBC would have done well to alter its official position long before 1995, given that Martin Luther King Jr. was leading the civil rights movement in the US from the mid-1950s.

I'm not saying the SBC was never in favor of segregation. I am objecting to your odd idea that just because they didn't formally denounce it until 1995 that, up until that point, their "official position" was in favor of it (including even in 1994). Can you point to any official statements or positions in 1994? If not, what is the latest statement or document you can find that stated being pro-segregation was their official position?

[Cow Poke]

The calls for his resignation are from some of his constituents over a specific controversial incident. ....

This is so precious! Did ANYBODY suggest that calls for his resignation were from ALL of his constituents over EVERY incident? The calls for his resignation include blacks, police, religious....

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But, hey, he's homosexual, so all is well!

[Cow Poke]

That would depend pn the church, snd what part of the country you were in at the time.

What Tassman may not know is that the SBC is not the sort of homogenious denomination that say the episcopalians or methodists are. Each congregation is very much independent of the next and self governing, and they are proud of that fact. They collectively have seminaries and a missions program, but there is no extensive universal theological statement all SBC churches abide by.

Jim

Excellent point, sir, but he HAS been 'educated' to that fact -- he just failed that class.

The closest that Southern Baptist Churches come to a "creed" is the "Baptist Faith & Message", and many of our churches don't even subscribe to the latest version (2000) because of the statements on family, and the fact that we didn't water down the notion of biblical inerrancy. And the SBC Churches are not bound by, nor obligated to adhere to, the BF&M.

We are an "upside down pyramid", so to speak, as we send "messengers" (not delegates) to the annual meeting to tell our "leadership" how we want them to lead. But, as autonomous churches, we have no obligation whatsoever to "follow".

Tassman knows this - he is just purposely and dishonestly dismissive of it. It doesn't fit his narrative "I hate Southern Baptists".

[Cow Poke]

I'm not saying the SBC was never in favor of segregation. I am objecting to your odd idea that just because they didn't formally denounce it until 1995 that, up until that point, their "official position" was in favor of it (including even in 1994). Can you point to any official statements or positions in 1994? If not, what is the latest statement or document you can find that stated being pro-segregation was their official position?

Tass has flubbed this over and over ---- he has never been able to produce a shard of evidence indicating that the SBC - as an entity - had any official policy that would be pro-segregation, or alleged any biblical support for slavery. The main trigger for the foundation of the SBC was the fact that the Northern churches refused to appoint a couple of southern missionaries because they, at least at one time, owned slaves.

[Cow Poke]

I forgot to include the attribution to my article several posts ago, so here it is - this just from a few days ago...

[Raphael]

I'm not saying the SBC was never in favor of segregation. I am objecting to your odd idea that just because they didn't formally denounce it until 1995 that, up until that point, their "official position" was in favor of it (including even in 1994). Can you point to any official statements or positions in 1994? If not, what is the latest statement or document you can find that stated being pro-segregation was their official position?

Japan and Russia still haven't signed a peace treaty since WW2 (come close several times). Using the logic displayed by a certain person that must mean WW2 isn't over yet.

[Tassman]

Still, his constituents are bound to know him better than a bunch of rich donors from Hollyweird, San Francisco, NYC and the like. And the most recent poll in Indiana gives Buttigeg a 35% favorable rating (which is about 10 points or more below Trump's favorability rating^[1]. So if you want to call that successful...

https://fivethirtyeight.com/features...he-new-normal/https://www.indystar.com/story/news/...ls/1154495001/https://www.realclearpolitics.com/ep...able-5493.html

Oh please do tell. Why don't you list "his impressive credentials" for us?

https://southbendin.gov/official/mayor-pete-buttigieg/

[Tassman]

Tass has flubbed this over and over ---- he has never been able to produce a shard of evidence indicating that the SBC - as an entity - had any official policy that would be pro-segregation, or alleged any biblical support for slavery. The main trigger for the foundation of the SBC was the fact that the Northern churches refused to appoint a couple of southern missionaries because they, at least at one time, owned slaves.

https://www.npr.org/templates/story/...ryId=112329862

A bit strange for the Southern Baptist Convention,

[NorrinRadd]

https://www.npr.org/templates/story/...ryId=112329862

A bit strange for the Southern Baptist Convention,

Nothing in that article refuted CP's repeated assertion "that the SBC - as an entity - had any official policy that would be pro-segregation, or alleged any biblical support for slavery."

Further, it does not refute his repeated assertion that the "main" impetus for the birth of the SBC was the issue of a few slave-owning missionaries; the NPR *hostess* -- as opposed to any quoted SBC representative -- made the insufficiently specific claim that "slavery" had split the Baptist church.

In summary: Fake News, as usual.

[rogue06]

https://fivethirtyeight.com/features...he-new-normal/

You are still ignoring the fact that among those who actually know and deal with Buttigeg his favorability rating is only 35% which is like 10 points below Trump's. The fact that those who know little or nothing about him except that he is openly gay give him a 60% favorability rating does not detract from that simple fact.

https://southbendin.gov/official/mayor-pete-buttigieg/

He did well in school, ran a committee of mayors winning an award for pedestrian and bikes, and of course, plays a musical instrument.

This reminds me of an application from someone fresh out of school looking for their first real job.