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    Quote Originally Posted by Cow Poke View Post
    I have asked you repeatedly for any proof that Buttigieg actually CLAIMS to be a "practicing Christian" - you have provided none.
    You have also failed to provide any proof concerning his "long connection" to "his local Episcopalian Church, liberal though it may be. He appears to have attended there - you have no evidence whatsoever that he's an active participating member now.
    That is simply not true, I’ve provided several examples. It's dishonest that you pretend I haven’t, but no surprise there.. Buttigieg claims to be a “practicing Christian”...maybe not as an Evangelical understands that term but as he does.

    He says he is a Christian and that his faith has had a strong influence in his life: "I found myself going to services at Christ Church, which happened to be across from my college, Pembroke, at Oxford and found in that very simple liturgy a way to begin to organize my spirituality. So that by the time I came back to the US I felt like I was more-or-less Anglican".

    “When I got back to South Bend and was looking for a church home, I found in (the Episcopal Cathedral of) St. James this faith community that really takes seriously that it's urban, that it's part of a city. And just very quickly felt drawn to that community. And now for about 10 years it's been my faith home”.


    https://edition.cnn.com/2019/04/02/o...eck/index.html

    How is this not a claim to be a "practicing Christian"?
    “He felt that his whole life was a kind of dream and he sometimes wondered whose it was and whether they were enjoying it.” - Douglas Adams.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tassman View Post
    That is simply not true, I’ve provided several examples.
    You provided your opinion, and some very shady "evidence".

    It's dishonest that you pretend I haven’t, but no surprise there..
    Oh, stop the drama, your majesty - you and your idiot "pro-life is misnamed because they don't care...." You are so full of crap.

    Buttigieg claims to be a “practicing Christian”...maybe not as an Evangelical understands that term but as he does.
    What does he practice? He appears not to even attend church, has no regard for the Bible, doubts that prayer is worth anybody's time.... What kind of Christian is that?

    He says he is a Christian and that his faith has had a strong influence in his life: "I found myself going to services at Christ Church, which happened to be across from my college, Pembroke, at Oxford and found in that very simple liturgy a way to begin to organize my spirituality. So that by the time I came back to the US I felt like I was more-or-less Anglican".


    You've obviously never learned anything about verb tenses. Everything in the past, then "I felt like I was more-or-less Anglican"? Really? That's your definition of "practicing Christian? And YOU are the one saying he said "strong influence" -- he didn't say that.

    “When I got back to South Bend and was looking for a church home, I found in (the Episcopal Cathedral of) St. James this faith community that really takes seriously that it's urban, that it's part of a city. And just very quickly felt drawn to that community. And now for about 10 years it's been my faith home”.
    Yes, I posted that WAY before you started using it to turn Buttigieg into a "practicing Christian" simply because he was "drawn to a community".

    How is this not a claim to be a "practicing Christian"?
    He has no regard for the Bible.
    He blows off any kind of prayer life.
    He's pro-abortion pretty much without limit.
    He doesn't appear to be actually attending Church.
    He totally ignores scripture, only picking and choosing the sections he likes.
    He talks WAY more about his sexual preference than he does about his faith.
    He's a "model Christian" for the atheists, the abortionists, the homocentric crowd...

    He appears to be using his 'faith' as a political scheme to advance his own career.

    How bout this --- how bout we agree he's a Tassmanian "Christian"!

    "More or less Anglican"
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    Tass, it's really been amusing how hard you're working to turn Buttigieg into a "practicing Christian".

    You begin by claiming he "interprets scripture differently" than we do - yet you have no evidence for that whatsoever. He never claims to 'interpret' that scripture at all.
    You then work to deny that you ever made such a claim, while it's there in black and white numerous times.
    You move from "practicing Christian" to his very OWN definition of "practicing Christian", which you define yourself.

    You do your word-hyping - putting words in Buttigieg's mouth he never said, like claiming that he said his "faith has had a strong influence in his life" when the actual quote you cite is much less affirming. Your actual quote was "I found myself going to services at Christ Church, which happened to be across from my college, Pembroke, at Oxford and found in that very simple liturgy a way to begin to organize my spirituality. So that by the time I came back to the US I felt like I was more-or-less Anglican"

    He "found himself going to services"? Yeah, that's really strong faith!
    "which happened to be across from my college" He worked hard to seek out the right church.
    "very simple liturgy a way to begin to organize my spirituality"? Just began to? Never quite got there?
    "I felt like I was more-or-less Anglican"? What a powerful ringing endorsement of the Church!

    And from all that, you manage to contort it into a conclusion that "faith has had a strong influence in his life" - words he never actually said?

    Tass - the ONLY reason you're going to bat for Buttigieg is because he's a practicing homosexual who, even though he claims he'd never question somebody else's faith, is in fact attacking Pence's faith.

    You hate Pence and what he stands for, so you and your anti-Christian bigot associates found a homosexual who is attacking Pence's faith, and you're doing everything possible to dress up Buttigieg as the "real Christian".

    That, sir, is what this is all about.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cow Poke View Post
    Tass, it's really been amusing how hard you're working to turn Buttigieg into a "practicing Christian".

    You begin by claiming he "interprets scripture differently" than we do - yet you have no evidence for that whatsoever. He never claims to 'interpret' that scripture at all.
    You then work to deny that you ever made such a claim, while it's there in black and white numerous times.
    You move from "practicing Christian" to his very OWN definition of "practicing Christian", which you define yourself.

    You do your word-hyping - putting words in Buttigieg's mouth he never said, like claiming that he said his "faith has had a strong influence in his life" when the actual quote you cite is much less affirming. Your actual quote was "I found myself going to services at Christ Church, which happened to be across from my college, Pembroke, at Oxford and found in that very simple liturgy a way to begin to organize my spirituality. So that by the time I came back to the US I felt like I was more-or-less Anglican"

    He "found himself going to services"? Yeah, that's really strong faith!
    "which happened to be across from my college" He worked hard to seek out the right church.
    "very simple liturgy a way to begin to organize my spirituality"? Just began to? Never quite got there?
    "I felt like I was more-or-less Anglican"? What a powerful ringing endorsement of the Church!

    And from all that, you manage to contort it into a conclusion that "faith has had a strong influence in his life" - words he never actually said?

    Tass - the ONLY reason you're going to bat for Buttigieg is because he's a practicing homosexual who, even though he claims he'd never question somebody else's faith, is in fact attacking Pence's faith.

    You hate Pence and what he stands for, so you and your anti-Christian bigot associates found a homosexual who is attacking Pence's faith, and you're doing everything possible to dress up Buttigieg as the "real Christian".

    That, sir, is what this is all about.
    There are many christians who believe differently about the teachings as elicited in the bible, but so long as they believe in Jesus as god and savior, they are christians, CP.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JimL View Post
    There are many christians who believe differently about the teachings as elicited in the bible, but so long as they believe in Jesus as god and savior, they are christians, CP.
    You kinda sorta left out the word "practicing" Christians - that has been Tassman's main claim (except, of course, when he dishonestly tries to deny it was).

    And I'd hardly trust you to be the subject matter expert on something you so frequently mock, and in such an ignorant and illiterate manner.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JimL View Post
    There are many christians who believe differently about the teachings as elicited in the bible, but so long as they believe in Jesus as god and savior, they are christians, CP.
    Well you told me you believe in the Golden Rule, and said you believe Jesus existed in some way or another, so I guess that makes you a Christian too.

    and you haven't shown that Buttigeig does consider Jesus as his God and Savior. He doesn't seem to listen to what his God and Savior tells him about homosexuality or abortion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sparko View Post
    Well you told me you believe in the Golden Rule, and said you believe Jesus existed in some way or another, so I guess that makes you a Christian too.
    That reading comprehension problem of yours keeps showing itself, Sparko. Neither of the above makes you a christian, nor did I say that it did. But believing Jesus is god and savior does. Do you understand the difference now?
    and you haven't shown that Buttigeig does consider Jesus as his God and Savior. He doesn't seem to listen to what his God and Savior tells him about homosexuality or abortion.
    I don't have to, he says he is a christian and that is what a christian believes even should they disagree with each other on much else.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JimL View Post
    That reading comprehension problem of yours keeps showing itself, Sparko. Neither of the above makes you a christian, nor did I say that it did. But believing Jesus is god and savior does. Do you understand the difference now?

    I don't have to, he says he is a christian and that is what a christian believes even should they disagree with each other on much else.
    There is the small matter of mistakenly believing that a false-Christ is the real-Christ that needs to be considered.
    και εκζητησατε με και ευρησετε με οτι ζητησετε με εν ολη καρδία υμων

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    Quote Originally Posted by JimL View Post
    That reading comprehension problem of yours keeps showing itself, Sparko. Neither of the above makes you a christian, nor did I say that it did. But believing Jesus is god and savior does. Do you understand the difference now?

    I don't have to, he says he is a christian and that is what a christian believes even should they disagree with each other on much else.
    Nope, not a circular argument at all!

    Do you make an effort to make your arguments this stupid? Or does it come naturally?

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    Quote Originally Posted by JimL View Post
    That reading comprehension problem of yours keeps showing itself, Sparko. Neither of the above makes you a christian, nor did I say that it did. But believing Jesus is god and savior does. Do you understand the difference now?

    I don't have to, he says he is a christian and that is what a christian believes even should they disagree with each other on much else.
    This is interesting. There are a number of people who are self-proclaimed Christians like John Shelby Spong, Robert Funk, Lloyd Geering, and John Dominic Crossan who do not believe in God. In the past on this forum, Christians have been told by skeptics that a Christian is merely anyone who claims they are one (regardless of what they believe). Do you not agree with this? Do you believe that there are certain prerequisites to one calling oneself a Christian? Would you not consider Crossan or Spong Christians?

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