Fact is, Mayor Pete comes by his determination to live in sin NOT from any interpretation of Scripture, as Tassman claims, but by totally ignoring what the Bible says about it.
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Originally posted by Sparko View PostI was actually agreeing that slavery in the old testament wasn't the chattel slavery of the USA. You just glommed on to one word in my post. Sure I could be wrong about prisoners, but that wasn't my point.Enter the Church and wash away your sins. For here there is a hospital and not a court of law. Do not be ashamed to enter the Church; be ashamed when you sin, but not when you repent. – St. John Chrysostom
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Originally posted by One Bad Pig View PostIf you were trying to distinguish it from US chattel slavery, then you shouldn't have brought up prisoners of war as an alleged difference, because the very source of African slaves was capture by warring tribes. The only significant difference I can see between "manstealing" and prisoners of war is that US chattel slaves were sold to others rather than being directly enslaved by their captors. Anyway, "prisoners of war" was not simply "one word in your post", it was a main category.
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Originally posted by guacamole View Post"Their own jackass theology" pretty much describes much of what the modern church thinks.“He felt that his whole life was a kind of dream and he sometimes wondered whose it was and whether they were enjoying it.” - Douglas Adams.
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Originally posted by Cow Poke View PostFirst of all - this "majority" idiocy: You seem to have this really warped notion that a majority makes something right.
there's no evidence whatsoever that Buttigieg's problem is in interpretation. He's flat out IGNORING the very scriptures that deal with the issue.
You are dishonest in conflating "interpretation" of scripture with a total IGNORING of it.
And all you're doing is proving what an insolent jackass you are.“He felt that his whole life was a kind of dream and he sometimes wondered whose it was and whether they were enjoying it.” - Douglas Adams.
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Originally posted by Tassman View PostI didn’t say that.
I think the likes of Buttigieg interpret scripture in the total context of Jesus’ teaching, but it’s not up to me (OR YOU) to judge his motives.
And you are “ignoring” that Christians throughout history have used scripture to justify their own social agenda…
whether keeping women subjugated to men, or slaves obedient to their masters. Interpretation changes according to what people to ‘want’ it to mean.
And what are you proving yourself to be, Pastor?The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by Tassman View PostWell I am more hesitant than you in ascribing the (presumably sincere) beliefs of the majority of Christians as “jackass theology”. But I’m inclined to think that scripture interpretation that promotes love and inclusivity rather than exclusion and judgement is more in line with the teachings of Jesus.
In fact, you have to ignore FAR more scripture to make your case than Mayor Pete does to justify his choice to live in sin.The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by Cow Poke View PostOf course you're inclined to think that, because, just like Mayor Pete - you totally ignore the parts you don't like. Your imaginary sissy Jesus would NEVER tell the aldulterous woman to stop sinning or reveal the sins of the woman at the well or call the religious leaders snakes and liars and imply they were bastards.
In fact, you have to ignore FAR more scripture to make your case than Mayor Pete does to justify his choice to live in sin.
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Originally posted by JimL View PostMaybe Mayor Pete is a different kind of christian than you, CP.The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by JimL View PostMaybe Mayor Pete is a different kind of christian than you, CP.
He can believe without believing every word in the bible to have come straight from god. Do you believe god ordered homosexuals to be stoned to death?Last edited by Tassman; 05-11-2019, 11:52 PM.“He felt that his whole life was a kind of dream and he sometimes wondered whose it was and whether they were enjoying it.” - Douglas Adams.
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Originally posted by Cow Poke View PostOf course you're inclined to think that, because, just like Mayor Pete - you totally ignore the parts you don't like.
Your imaginary sissy Jesus would NEVER tell the aldulterous woman to stop sinning or reveal the sins of the woman at the well or call the religious leaders snakes and liars and imply they were bastards.
In fact, you have to ignore FAR more scripture to make your case than Mayor Pete does to justify his choice to live in sin.“He felt that his whole life was a kind of dream and he sometimes wondered whose it was and whether they were enjoying it.” - Douglas Adams.
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Condemn the churches on the one hand for their former conformation with prevailing social mores, and on the other, and on the other hand for failing to conform with the prevailing cultural mores. It IS an interesting approach.1Cor 15:34 Come to your senses as you ought and stop sinning; for I say to your shame, there are some who know not God.
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Scripture before Tradition:
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Originally posted by Tassman View PostHe's certainly a more loving one.The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by Tassman View PostJust as the slave owners ignored the parts of the bible they didn’t like and interpreted certain scriptures in order to justify it.
So, you're FINALLY admitting that Buttigieg simply ignores scripture to justify his decision to live in sin?The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
So, you're FINALLY admitting that Buttigieg simply ignores scripture to justify his decision to live in sin?“He felt that his whole life was a kind of dream and he sometimes wondered whose it was and whether they were enjoying it.” - Douglas Adams.
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