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    Quote Originally Posted by Tassman View Post
    Or, in Buttigieg's case he proclaims his belief in Jesus by reciting the Creeds regularly in church.
    Are you there with him? How do you know he actually attends, let alone 'regularly'.

    It's becoming increasingly clear ya got nothing, so you're just making stuff up.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chrawnus View Post


    Editing another persons post is not "dishonest", Michel, whatever you might believe. At least not as long as the person doing the editing is clearly signaling that that's what he's doing, which OBP clearly did and on top of that he left the post ID in the quote tag, so anyone could go and look at the original. There simply was no deception involved. You might not think he "captured the gist of your post" correctly, but you have no grounds for accusing him of dishonesty simply because you think (and however warranted you might be in thinking so) he misunderstood your post.

    So, whatever other reasons you might have for not liking the editing of someone elses post that happens here sometime, dishonesty is not one of those things, because whenever it happens the person doing it usually makes it clear that the post they're quoting has been purposefully edited.
    And yet there is the box "Originally posted by carpedm9587," with words I didn't write inserted by OBP.

    Anyone can respond to a post with:

    "I think what you really meant to say was:

    Yes


    To use the "quote" feature and changed another person's words is to lie - pure and simple. I realize it has become common fare and widely accepted on this forum. IMO, it shouldn't be. Sorry, Chrawnus, but I'm just not buying the justifications. What people choose to do with that is entirely up to them.

    And this issue has gone on far longer that it warrants. I wasn't really expecting acknowledgment and probably should have simply let my first point stand. The behavior is too firmly entrenched to be dislodged by an outsider. Someday I'll learn. For now, I'll leave the last word to ya'll.


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    Quote Originally Posted by carpedm9587 View Post
    And yet there is the box "Originally posted by carpedm9587," with words I didn't write inserted by OBP....
    Have ya ever said anything in your life "with a wink and a nod", Mr. Spock?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cow Poke View Post
    Have ya ever said anything in your life "with a wink and a nod", Mr. Spock?
    Absolutely. "I'll get to that right away dear." When I have no such intention, it's clearly a lie...

    ...about myself.
    The ultimate weakness of violence is that it is a descending spiral begetting the very thing it seeks to destroy...returning violence for violence multiplies violence, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars. Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that. Martin Luther King

    I would unite with anybody to do right and with nobody to do wrong. Frederick Douglas

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    Quote Originally Posted by carpedm9587 View Post
    Absolutely. "I'll get to that right away dear." When I have no such intention, it's clearly a lie...

    ...about myself.
    So, in your superior morality system, it's OK to lie about yourself, but not make a sarcastic representation of what somebody else said, even though it's clear you're not actually quoting them?


    Carpe - "I love and honor my wife so I am going to stay home and do the dishes and forego the ballgame".
    CP - sarcastically paraphrasing Carpe "I'm scared of that woman, so I'm gonna do what she says!"

    When both versions are clearly there....... Yet, you'd say I lied.
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    Quote Originally Posted by carpedm9587 View Post
    And yet there is the box "Originally posted by carpedm9587," with words I didn't write inserted by OBP.

    Anyone can respond to a post with:

    "I think what you really meant to say was:

    Yes


    To use the "quote" feature and changed another person's words is to lie - pure and simple. I realize it has become common fare and widely accepted on this forum. IMO, it shouldn't be. Sorry, Chrawnus, but I'm just not buying the justifications. What people choose to do with that is entirely up to them.
    Technically, you're probably right. But I think it clearly falls within the genre of parody or mockery, rather than misrepresenting with intent to deceive.

    No-one is going to be confused about what you actually posted - it's literally right above the post you've been complaining about. If you think that OBP's intent was to deceive a reader about what you had actually posted, then you probably also think that Paul told the Corinthians he was lying to them when he said he became all things to all men. C'mon, bro.



    In context, OBP made a small joke, you responded seriously, he asked you if you had broken your funny bone (IOW, forgotten to laugh), you responded with another post taking it very seriously (instead of laughing at things - maybe you thought OBP was being serious, or attacking you - I think he was implying that it was all a joke), and OBP replied with the notorious 'Yes' post.

    I read that as meaning, 'Carpe, you are taking it too seriously. Lighten up, laugh, it's not an attack on you'. You've taken it too seriously, and OBP has apaprently gotten annoyed at you, which has just made you more offended.

    This is the kind of thing that makes mothers tell one of their two arguing kids to get out of the car and walk home.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MaxVel View Post
    Technically, you're probably right. But I think it clearly falls within the genre of parody or mockery, rather than misrepresenting with intent to deceive.

    No-one is going to be confused about what you actually posted - it's literally right above the post you've been complaining about. If you think that OBP's intent was to deceive a reader about what you had actually posted, then you probably also think that Paul told the Corinthians he was lying to them when he said he became all things to all men. C'mon, bro.



    In context, OBP made a small joke, you responded seriously, he asked you if you had broken your funny bone (IOW, forgotten to laugh), you responded with another post taking it very seriously (instead of laughing at things - maybe you thought OBP was being serious, or attacking you - I think he was implying that it was all a joke), and OBP replied with the notorious 'Yes' post.

    I read that as meaning, 'Carpe, you are taking it too seriously. Lighten up, laugh, it's not an attack on you'. You've taken it too seriously, and OBP has apaprently gotten annoyed at you, which has just made you more offended.

    This is the kind of thing that makes mothers tell one of their two arguing kids to get out of the car and walk home.

    Where's Mossy when you need her?
    I have read and understood your post. We disagree. And you are incorrect that I am "offended." I pointed out what was, IMO, an inappropriate post. I wouldn't have given it another thought if the discussion had ended there. And now the discussion has received far for time/attention than it deserves, and this is Father's Day!

    So I'll leave the last word to ya'll. For those of you who are dads, hope you have an awesome day!
    The ultimate weakness of violence is that it is a descending spiral begetting the very thing it seeks to destroy...returning violence for violence multiplies violence, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars. Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that. Martin Luther King

    I would unite with anybody to do right and with nobody to do wrong. Frederick Douglas

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cow Poke View Post
    So, in your superior morality system, it's OK to lie about yourself, but not make a sarcastic representation of what somebody else said, even though it's clear you're not actually quoting them?


    Carpe - "I love and honor my wife so I am going to stay home and do the dishes and forego the ballgame".
    CP - sarcastically paraphrasing Carpe "I'm scared of that woman, so I'm gonna do what she says!"

    When both versions are clearly there....... Yet, you'd say I lied.
    First, I make no claim to "superior" moral system in any absolute sense, for obvious reasons. Like everyone else, I think the morals I hold are "the right ones." If I didn't, they would be different. It's what we all do. Second, yes, I find misrepresenting someone else in a lie more egregious than misrepresenting or saying something false about myself.

    As I said to Max, this has received far more attention than it merits - so I'll leave the last words to ya'll.
    The ultimate weakness of violence is that it is a descending spiral begetting the very thing it seeks to destroy...returning violence for violence multiplies violence, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars. Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that. Martin Luther King

    I would unite with anybody to do right and with nobody to do wrong. Frederick Douglas

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    Quote Originally Posted by carpedm9587 View Post
    First, I make no claim to "superior" moral system in any absolute sense, for obvious reasons. Like everyone else, I think the morals I hold are "the right ones." If I didn't, they would be different. It's what we all do. Second, yes, I find misrepresenting someone else in a lie more egregious than misrepresenting or saying something false about myself.

    As I said to Max, this has received far more attention than it merits - so I'll leave the last words to ya'll.
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    Quote Originally Posted by carpedm9587 View Post
    ...ya'll.
    "y'all" - a contraction of 'you all'.
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