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    Well, there's one Episcopalian that we like around here (she's on staff)...
    "I am not angered that the Moral Majority boys campaign against abortion. I am angry when the same men who say, "Save OUR children" bellow "Build more and bigger bombers." That's right! Blast the children in other nations into eternity, or limbless misery as they lay crippled from "OUR" bombers! This does not jell." - Leonard Ravenhill

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cow Poke View Post
    Wow, Jimmy! You might be right after all! The Episcopal Church in America does, indeed, seem to be fast approaching "sect" status instead of "denomination"....

    Why is the Episcopal Church near collapse?

    The headlines coming out of the Episcopal Church’s annual U.S. convention are stunning — endorsement of cross-dressing clergy, blessing same-sex marriage, the sale of their headquarters since they can’t afford to maintain it.

    The American branch of the Church of England, founded when the Vatican balked at permitting King Henry VIII to continue annulling marriages to any wife who failed to bear him sons, is in trouble.

    Somehow slipping out of the headlines is a harsh reality that the denomination has been deserted in droves by an angry or ambivalent membership. Six prominent bishops are ready to take their large dioceses out of the American church and align with conservative Anglican groups in Africa and South America.

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    “Liberal Christianity has been hailed by its boosters for 40 years as the future of the Christian church. Instead, as all but a few die-hards now admit, the mainline churches that have blurred doctrine and softened moral precepts are declining and, in the case of the Episcopal Church, disintegrating.”

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    Prominent bishops are pulling out. Convention-goers were told headquarters had spent $18 million suing local congregations. Members are leaving at a record rate. This is no longer George Washington’s church – once the largest denomination in the colonies.

    “On July 8, 2012, Presiding Bishop Katharine Jefferts Schori preached her brand of post-Christian religion while masquerading as a Christian bishop,” reported convention attendee Dr. Sarah Frances Ives.

    “She mocked most of the crucial doctrines of the Christian faith, including the God of creation, the Incarnation, and the Trinity. She accomplishes this through her demeaning use of rhetoric. She taunts the Lord by the use of the name ‘Big Man’ and then points her finger at everyone listening and tells them that they have ‘missed the boat.’

    “Jefferts Schori then proclaims that she has the answer for this. We all need the ‘act of crossing boundaries’ to become God after which our hands become a ‘sacrament of mission.’

    “In this sermon, Jefferts Schori continued her mission of destroying the Christian faith through her rhetorical device of dismissive ridicule.

    “Jefferts Schori leaves a wide wake of destruction behind with this sermon: the eternal triune God has been torn down, human beings are to boldly claim our place as God, and the sacraments of the Eucharist and Baptism have been turned into things our hands make. In other words, Jefferts Schori accepts that now humanity, animals and God are one undifferentiated blob. This is essentially a form of solipsism, the belief that self is all that is known to exist. Anyone can see that this is both pure heresy and utter nonsense.


    So much for your claim that they "believe in god and the god they believe in is Jesus"! Sheeeesh --- no wonder Buttigieg "felt drawn to" this group!
    Whether or not you agree with them and there understanding, they believe in god, and that god is Jesus. You don't agree with the Pope on much either, so who cares. In my opinion, you're all a bit nuts in that regard.

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    Quote Originally Posted by seer View Post
    The golden rule only makes sense if you have a particular moral goal in mind. A goal that the Maoist or Stalinist doesn't share.
    Yes, and society has a particular moral goal in mind, the best interests of all the members therein.

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    Quote Originally Posted by seer View Post
    They constantly betray their deep seated beliefs in universal moral truths.
    Universal moral truths would have to do with the universe, not necessarily with the creator of one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cow Poke View Post
    I gotta hand it to you, Jimmy -- without your goofy claim that Pete is a Christian because he's an Episcopalian, I wouldn't have dug in to find out stuff like this, from the same article I cited...

    “Yesterday,” reports Angela O’Brien from the convention, “the House of Bishops of the Episcopalian Church approved a new provisional blessing for gay unions, while the full General Convention voted in favor of general acceptance for transgender clergy.

    “Some Episcopalian bishops spoke out against the resolution on same-sex blessings. Bishop Bauerschmidt, of the Episcopal Diocese of Tennessee, urged the bishops to defeat the resolution.

    David Thurlow

    “The Reverend David Thurlow advocated rejecting the resolution. ‘For two thousand years the Church has had clear teaching regarding Christian marriage and Biblical norms of sexual behavior,’ he said, pointing out that ‘through previous statements and resolutions the Church has pledged itself not to make any change to this traditional teaching.’

    Likewise, Bishop Edward Little of Northern Indiana stood against the resolution.

    “The Christian world is going to understand us as having changed the nature of the sacrament of holy matrimony,” Bishop Little said. “The Christian world will look at that liturgy world and see vows, and exchange of rings, a pronouncement and a blessing and they will understand that to mean the Episcopal Church has endorsed same-sex marriage and changed a basic Christian doctrine. I do not believe that we are free to do that.”


    Ya catch that, Jimmy? "‘For two thousand years the Church has had clear teaching regarding Christian marriage and Biblical norms of sexual behavior"!

    Thank you, Jimmy! Keep up the good work! You and Tassman are making a better claim against Mayor Pete's "Christianity" than I was!
    Dig up what you will, CP, the Episcopalian god is the christian god, Jesus, the belief in which makes one a christian. You don't have to like it, but Episcopalians are christians.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JimL View Post
    Dig up what you will, CP,
    I have YOU to thank, Jimmy!

    the Episcopalian god is the christian god, Jesus, the belief in which makes one a christian. You don't have to like it, but Episcopalians are christians.
    Well, you're just flat out wrong, Jimmy. Maybe I should have made the parts bigger and bolder where Presiding Bishop Katharine Jefferts Schori ....

    ... mocked most of the crucial doctrines of the Christian faith, including the God of creation, the Incarnation, and the Trinity. She accomplishes this through her demeaning use of rhetoric. She taunts the Lord by the use of the name ‘Big Man’ and then points her finger at everyone listening and tells them that they have ‘missed the boat.’


    You know who mocks the crucial doctrines of the Christian faith, Jimmy? You and Tassman! YOU could be a "Christian" by THIS standard!
    Every problem is the result of a previous solution.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KingsGambit View Post
    Well, there's one Episcopalian that we like around here (she's on staff)...
    I'd love her input on this whole thing where "A few years ago, the annual national Episcopal convention overwhelmingly refused even to consider a resolution affirming that Jesus Christ is Lord".

    It appears there's quite a battle going on within the Episcopal folks.

    Upon returning home from that meeting, Bishop Peter H. Beckwith, leader of the Springfield, Illinois, diocese, wrote in a pastoral letter that the Episcopal church was “in meltdown.”

    Beckwith has joined bishops in the dioceses of Central Florida, Dallas, Fort Worth, Pittsburgh, California, and South Carolina in asking their church’s top official, the Archbishop of Canterbury in England, for permission to pull out.

    Beckwith says the failure of the resolution introduced by conservatives to declare the church’s “unchanging commitment to Jesus Christ as the son of God, the only name by which any person may be saved” was extremely disturbing.

    “When a Christian church cannot bring itself to endorse a bedrock Christian theological statement repeatedly found in the New Testament, it is not a serious Christian church,” wrote Allen.
    Every problem is the result of a previous solution.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cow Poke View Post
    I'd love her input on this whole thing where "A few years ago, the annual national Episcopal convention overwhelmingly refused even to consider a resolution affirming that Jesus Christ is Lord".

    It appears there's quite a battle going on within the Episcopal folks.

    Upon returning home from that meeting, Bishop Peter H. Beckwith, leader of the Springfield, Illinois, diocese, wrote in a pastoral letter that the Episcopal church was “in meltdown.”

    Beckwith has joined bishops in the dioceses of Central Florida, Dallas, Fort Worth, Pittsburgh, California, and South Carolina in asking their church’s top official, the Archbishop of Canterbury in England, for permission to pull out.

    Beckwith says the failure of the resolution introduced by conservatives to declare the church’s “unchanging commitment to Jesus Christ as the son of God, the only name by which any person may be saved” was extremely disturbing.

    “When a Christian church cannot bring itself to endorse a bedrock Christian theological statement repeatedly found in the New Testament, it is not a serious Christian church,” wrote Allen.
    In a church, that should be as controversial as affirming that 1+1=2.
    "I am not angered that the Moral Majority boys campaign against abortion. I am angry when the same men who say, "Save OUR children" bellow "Build more and bigger bombers." That's right! Blast the children in other nations into eternity, or limbless misery as they lay crippled from "OUR" bombers! This does not jell." - Leonard Ravenhill

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    Quote Originally Posted by KingsGambit View Post
    In a church, that should be as controversial as affirming that 1+1=2.
    It kinda reminds me of the Democrat Convention where they had a hard time bringing themselves to allow God back in their party platform.
    Every problem is the result of a previous solution.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cow Poke View Post
    I have YOU to thank, Jimmy!



    Well, you're just flat out wrong, Jimmy. Maybe I should have made the parts bigger and bolder where Presiding Bishop Katharine Jefferts Schori ....

    ... mocked most of the crucial doctrines of the Christian faith, including the God of creation, the Incarnation, and the Trinity. She accomplishes this through her demeaning use of rhetoric. She taunts the Lord by the use of the name ‘Big Man’ and then points her finger at everyone listening and tells them that they have ‘missed the boat.’
    So, you disagree with the Episcopalian Church (or at least your quote-mined version of it); there's no need to shout about it. It no doubt disagrees with your narrow, judgmental version of Christianity, which is so full of hate.

    What’s your point other than “I’m right and they’re wrong?" Because this is all you’re saying. You are aware I take it that ‘spiritual pride’ is a sin?

    You know who mocks the crucial doctrines of the Christian faith, Jimmy? You and Tassman! YOU could be a "Christian" by THIS standard!
    Well I'm sure we don't want to be a Christian by your standard.
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