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    Quote Originally Posted by Tassman View Post
    This is not so.
    Given your propensity to spew forth claim you cannot support, this is hereby dismissed as NONSENSE!!!!!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by JimL View Post
    No, actually Tass had it right all along, i.e. that Buttigieg isn't a real christian according to you, which really is all that you have been arguing.
    False.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chrawnus View Post
    The bolded has been part of my point all along. Philo was writing for a Roman/Hellenistic audience, so he would have had reason to mention and defend the Jewish prohibitions against homosexual relationships. For Jesus, who would have been primarily "preaching to the choir" on this issue, there would have been no need what so ever for Him to mention anything against it. The very fact that Jesus never mentions homosexual practices in a positive light when the prevailing opinion was against it in the areas where He was active is most reasonably seen as tacit support for the prohibition, especially in view of the fact that He had such a high regard for the Jewish Law, and never mentioned anything about taking exception to the prohibitions about homosexual relationships in that very same Law.

    If Jesus wanted to He would have had ample opportunity to say something to the effect of condoning same-sex relationships, but unfortunately for your unstated position that Jesus might have been fine with having sex with people of the same gender such affirmations are noticeably absent.
    So, barring a "You have heard it said that homosexuality is a sin, but I say....." kind of statement....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Adrift View Post
    Which is strange since you'd think you'd run into a "the bible says" argument once in awhile on a Christian forum.
    So this is interesting - and since it's not a continuation of "Is Buttigieg as practicing Christian," I'll respond. I do indeed "run into them," I just don't engage in them anymore. When someone defends a position they have with "the bible says," the best I can do is nod, smile, and perhaps respond, "isn't that nice."

    This is one of several perspectives that has changed since I came back to TWeb. I actually used to engage in them regularly. It took me a while to realize I was engaging in a pointless exercise and disengage. The same is true of debating specific points of morality with a "bible-based" moralist, though I have to admit that is a very recent awakening on my part. Last few weeks, actually. I had not thought through my own beliefs about morality to fully appreciate the futility of that exercise.
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    Quote Originally Posted by carpedm9587 View Post
    So this is interesting - and since it's not a continuation of "Is Buttigieg as practicing Christian,"
    Actually, the "ongoing" was based on Tassman's false claim that Buttigieg HIMSELF claimed to be a "practicing Christian".

    I'll respond. I do indeed "run into them," I just don't engage in them anymore. When someone defends a position they have with "the bible says," the best I can do is nod, smile, and perhaps respond, "isn't that nice."

    This is one of several perspectives that has changed since I came back to TWeb. I actually used to engage in them regularly. It took me a while to realize I was engaging in a pointless exercise and disengage. The same is true of debating specific points of morality with a "bible-based" moralist, though I have to admit that is a very recent awakening on my part. Last few weeks, actually. I had not thought through my own beliefs about morality to fully appreciate the futility of that exercise.
    So, interesting point ---

    A) the issue of Tassman's unproven claim Buttigieg himself claimed to be a "practicing Christian" is not a "what the Bible says" issue.
    2) the issue of whether or not Buttigieg actually IS a "practicing Christian" very much involves "what the Bible says".

    You tended, in this thread, to dabble in both.
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    Quote Originally Posted by carpedm9587 View Post
    So this is interesting - and since it's not a continuation of "Is Buttigieg as practicing Christian," I'll respond. I do indeed "run into them," I just don't engage in them anymore. When someone defends a position they have with "the bible says," the best I can do is nod, smile, and perhaps respond, "isn't that nice."

    This is one of several perspectives that has changed since I came back to TWeb. I actually used to engage in them regularly. It took me a while to realize I was engaging in a pointless exercise and disengage. The same is true of debating specific points of morality with a "bible-based" moralist, though I have to admit that is a very recent awakening on my part. Last few weeks, actually. I had not thought through my own beliefs about morality to fully appreciate the futility of that exercise.
    Then why do you continue to argue about morality with seer in nearly every thread?

    And if you don't want to argue about "what the bible says" about various topics then you are probably on the wrong forum since that is pretty much what THEOLOGYWEB is about. Sounds more like a convenient way to dismiss your opponent's argument than anything else.

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    So, let's sum things up again.

    As to Tassman's claim that Buttigieg, himself, claimed to be a practicing Christian, here's all the evidence so far....







    Lemme know if I left anything out.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cow Poke View Post
    So, let's sum things up again.

    As to Tassman's claim that Buttigieg, himself, claimed to be a practicing Christian, here's all the evidence so far....







    Lemme know if I left anything out.
    And as a recap of Tassy's claim and "re-claims", your post here goes through it pretty well (for Carp)

    http://www.theologyweb.com/campus/sh...l=1#post636872

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    Quote Originally Posted by carpedm9587 View Post
    So this is interesting - and since it's not a continuation of "Is Buttigieg as practicing Christian," I'll respond. I do indeed "run into them," I just don't engage in them anymore. When someone defends a position they have with "the bible says," the best I can do is nod, smile, and perhaps respond, "isn't that nice."

    This is one of several perspectives that has changed since I came back to TWeb. I actually used to engage in them regularly. It took me a while to realize I was engaging in a pointless exercise and disengage. The same is true of debating specific points of morality with a "bible-based" moralist, though I have to admit that is a very recent awakening on my part. Last few weeks, actually. I had not thought through my own beliefs about morality to fully appreciate the futility of that exercise.
    I find it incredibly bizarre that one would regularly post in a Christian forum, and yet deign not to engage with Christians who will, undoubtedly, at some point, connect their worldview back to scripture. Every Christian on this forum (that I know of) bases at least some aspect of their moral worldview on the Bible. And probably a great deal of their moral worldview, at that.

    Also, I find the statement, "the best I can do is nod, smile, and perhaps respond, 'isn't that nice'" disgustingly condescending.

    Could you (and here I'm talking to my fellow Bible-believing brothers and sisters) ever imagine going to a Muslim forum with the attitude that "I'm not going to engage with Koran-based moralists...?" How utterly ridiculous.

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    Quote Originally Posted by carpedm9587 View Post
    That is a discussion I am NOT getting into. I don't do "but the bible says" arguments.
    I hereby prophesy this shall come back to bitest thee.
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