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    Quote Originally Posted by Tassman View Post
    Well it does.
    Only in your twisted little head.

    You claimed that he, himself, claimed to be a "practicing Christian". It doesn't matter HOW that is defined - he appears to have never said it.

    Perhaps you better define what you mean by “practicing Christian”, because it seems to me that you are merely arguing semantics for the sake of trying to score a cheap point.
    Absolutely totally beside the point. All you're doing at this point is dodging the fact that you made a claim you cannot support, and you're not man enough to admit it.

    Do you not have ANY decency at ALL?
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    Meanwhile, all is not well in Mayor Pete's current job...

    Buttigieg criticized at emotional town hall after shooting

    SOUTH BEND, Ind. (AP) — Democratic presidential candidate Pete Buttigieg faced criticism Sunday from angry residents of South Bend, Indiana, at an emotional town hall meeting a week after a white police officer fatally shot a black man in the city where he is mayor.

    Buttigieg (BOO’-tuh-juhj) said he would call for an outside investigation of the shooting of 54-year-old Eric Logan by Sgt. Ryan O’Neill.

    The 37-year-old mayor said he would send a letter to the federal Department of Justice’s civil rights division and notify the local prosecutor that he’d like an independent investigator appointed. He conceded that his administration had failed on two key initiatives.

    “The effort to recruit more minority officers to the police department and the effort to introduce body cameras have not succeeded and I accept responsibility for that,” Buttigieg said.

    Prosecutors investigating said that the shooting was not recorded by O’Neill’s body camera.

    The town hall grew contentious when some community members questioned whether the mayor had done enough to reform the police department in the city of 100,000 people, which is about a quarter black.

    “Get the people that are racist off the streets,” one woman in the audience said. “Reorganize your department. You can do that by Friday.”
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    Quote Originally Posted by Raphael View Post
    I have commented in the past the the Church dropped the ball and lost the Moral High Ground as they became more accepting of certain sins (like sex before marriage, adultery etc). It became a "yeah it's wrong, but we'll ignore it because it makes people uncomfortable".

    The result was when the Church started reacting to other sins, then the World said "hey what's that plank sticking out your eye".

    The Church does need to get back to the idea from Paul that just because things are acceptable and even celebrated in the World, does not mean we can accept it in the Church. And that goes for homosexual acts, adultery, sex before marriage, drunkenness, lying etc.

    And yes, at the same time the Church needs to be gracious to the sinner who is struggling with things
    I find this a little curious because I hear this sort of thing all of the time, and I guess it just hasn't been my experience. My experience (at least in the churches I've belonged to) has been that sex before marriage and adultery are MAJOR themes in church sermons . The churches I've attended rarely talk about homosexuality, mostly because the big sins among your average person coming into the church (especially for the first time) are typically sleeping around/sex out side of marriage type stuff. Maybe the difference is that the churches I attend tend to talk to the people in the pew (so to speak, I haven't been a church with actual "pews" in ages). The only thing I don't see more talk on is divorce. They'll have special marriage conferences, but divorce in general is kinda shrugged at more than it should be. I think that's because, even though Jesus speaks directly on it, there's still a bit of confusion in the church about when it's okay to have one, and then there's probably not enough discussion about whether or not you can remarry, and that sort of thing. There have been plenty of people struggling with homosexuality that have found their way into the churches I've attended, but they count for, what? 1-2% of the congregation? Spending lots of time talking about it just doesn't really make sense. I really only see homosexuality dealt with on a broader scale when it comes to other formats like blogs, magazine articles, radio shows, and online, and it's not because its considered a worse sin than adultery or sex before marriage, but because it's one of very few sins that are heavily celebrated. Outside of Ashley Madison, adultery still hasn't got to the point in our culture where people are actively celebrating it, and while sleeping around is celebrated, there's still a tiny bit of secular stigma left to having lots and lots of partners.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Adrift View Post
    I find this a little curious because I hear this sort of thing all of the time, and I guess it just hasn't been my experience. My experience (at least in the churches I've belonged to) has been that sex before marriage and adultery are MAJOR themes in church sermons . The churches I've attended rarely talk about homosexuality, mostly because the big sins among your average person coming into the church (especially for the first) are typically sleeping around/sex out side of marriage type stuff. Maybe the difference is that the churches I attend tend to talk to the people in the pew (so to speak, I haven't been a church with actual "pews" in ages). The only thing I don't see more talk on is divorce. They'll have special marriage conferences, but divorce in general is kinda shrugged at more than it should be. I think that's because, even though Jesus speaks directly on it, there's still a bit of confusion in the church about when it's okay to have one, and then there's probably not enough discussion about whether or not you can remarry, and that sort of thing. There have been plenty of people struggling with homosexuality that have found their way into the churches I've attended, but they count for, what? 1-2% of the congregation? Spending lots of time talking about it just doesn't really make sense. I really only see homosexuality dealt with on a broader scale when it comes to other formats, like blogs, magazine articles, radio shows, and online, and it's not because its considered a worse sin than adultery or sex before marriage, but because it's because it's one of very few sins that are heavily celebrated. Outside of Ashley Madison, adultery still hasn't got to the point in our culture where people are actively celebrating it, and while sleeping around is celebrated, there's still a tiny bit of secular stigma left to having lots and lots of partners.
    All of which is making it harder and harder to find men qualified to be deacons.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cow Poke View Post
    Meanwhile, all is not well in Mayor Pete's current job...

    Buttigieg criticized at emotional town hall after shooting

    SOUTH BEND, Ind. (AP) — Democratic presidential candidate Pete Buttigieg faced criticism Sunday from angry residents of South Bend, Indiana, at an emotional town hall meeting a week after a white police officer fatally shot a black man in the city where he is mayor.

    Buttigieg (BOO’-tuh-juhj) said he would call for an outside investigation of the shooting of 54-year-old Eric Logan by Sgt. Ryan O’Neill.

    The 37-year-old mayor said he would send a letter to the federal Department of Justice’s civil rights division and notify the local prosecutor that he’d like an independent investigator appointed. He conceded that his administration had failed on two key initiatives.

    “The effort to recruit more minority officers to the police department and the effort to introduce body cameras have not succeeded and I accept responsibility for that,” Buttigieg said.

    Prosecutors investigating said that the shooting was not recorded by O’Neill’s body camera.

    The town hall grew contentious when some community members questioned whether the mayor had done enough to reform the police department in the city of 100,000 people, which is about a quarter black.

    “Get the people that are racist off the streets,” one woman in the audience said. “Reorganize your department. You can do that by Friday.”
    This also fits in with that other thread where we were discussing police and how any shooting of a black person by a white police officer is automatically called racism.

    In this case it seems that the police officer was following protocol and did nothing wrong. The suspect came at him with a knife and the officer shot him twice, just enough to stop him. It wasn't an overreaction, and he was not required to have his camera on at the time. But the fact that it wasn't on, automatically makes it look like a conspiracy to the ones who want to see racism everywhere.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Adrift View Post
    I find this a little curious because I hear this sort of thing all of the time, and I guess it just hasn't been my experience. My experience (at least in the churches I've belonged to) has been that sex before marriage and adultery are MAJOR themes in church sermons . The churches I've attended rarely talk about homosexuality, mostly because the big sins among your average person coming into the church (especially for the first) are typically sleeping around/sex out side of marriage type stuff. Maybe the difference is that the churches I attend tend to talk to the people in the pew (so to speak, I haven't been a church with actual "pews" in ages). The only thing I don't see more talk on is divorce. They'll have special marriage conferences, but divorce in general is kinda shrugged at more than it should be. I think that's because, even though Jesus speaks directly on it, there's still a bit of confusion in the church about when it's okay to have one, and then there's probably not enough discussion about whether or not you can remarry, and that sort of thing. There have been plenty of people struggling with homosexuality that have found their way into the churches I've attended, but they count for, what? 1-2% of the congregation? Spending lots of time talking about it just doesn't really make sense. I really only see homosexuality dealt with on a broader scale when it comes to other formats like blogs, magazine articles, radio shows, and online, and it's not because its considered a worse sin than adultery or sex before marriage, but because it's because it's one of very few sins that are heavily celebrated. Outside of Ashley Madison, adultery still hasn't got to the point in our culture where people are actively celebrating it, and while sleeping around is celebrated, there's still a tiny bit of secular stigma left to having lots and lots of partners.
    I'd say this squares with my church experience, too.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sparko View Post
    This also fits in with that other thread where we were discussing police and how any shooting of a black person by a white police officer is automatically called racism.

    In this case it seems that the police officer was following protocol and did nothing wrong. The suspect came at him with a knife and the officer shot him twice, just enough to stop him. It wasn't an overreaction, and he was not required to have his camera on at the time. But the fact that it wasn't on, automatically makes it look like a conspiracy to the ones who want to see racism everywhere.
    And what is Mayor Pete's solution?

    In the wake of the shooting, Buttigieg called on his police chief to remind officers to have their body cameras on at all times when they are engaging with citizens.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cow Poke View Post
    All of which is making it harder and harder to find men qualified to be deacons.
    You're talking about because of divorce?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Adrift View Post
    You're talking about because of divorce?
    Mainly, yes. But I actually have a guy who was IN ALL OTHER RESECTS a good candidate for deacon, but he's living with a woman who is not his wife. They come to church together quite regularly, they are a wonderful couple, they always stay to help clean up after meals, she attends all our ladies' bible studies....
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cow Poke View Post
    Mainly, yes. But I actually have a guy who was IN ALL OTHER RESECTS a good candidate for deacon, but he's living with a woman who is not his wife. They come to church together quite regularly, they are a wonderful couple, they always stay to help clean up after meals, she attends all our ladies' bible studies....
    Ah, yeah. That's unfortunately not uncommon. It's become so much the norm in secular society that it's hard to break off when you start getting serious about making Jesus Lord. I lived with a couple of girlfriends in the past when I was still floating around in my faith, and wasn't taking it seriously. Had to knock that nonsense off.

    I really haven't been to a church that has had deacons, at least, not in name. They're usually called something along the lines of "minister," "counselor," or referred to as "pastor," even though they're more like an assistant pastor to the head pastor. Not sure why there's such a reluctance to use certain labels in some denominations/non-denominations. I've been to churches with no deacons, but with bishops, for instance. And others with no bishops at all. I'm going to be checking out the local Calvary Chapel this weekend (didn't even know we had one till last week), and I know they eschew a heavily hierarchical system of church governance (especially a board of lay "elders" which I kinda get). Should be interesting.

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