Mayor Pete Attacks Trump's Faith...

[Tassman]

You just as much support enforcing your minority views on a majority who disagree.

Nope. The only view that requires “enforcing” is equal rights for all citizens…from blacks to Native Americans, to women to gays. And that’s not a minority view.

[Tassman]

At least Trump is standing up against the slaughter of the innocents, and standing FOR religious liberty.

Trump is standing up for himself alone, he cares for nothing else, and he’s doing it by pandering to the prejudices of self-righteous Evangelicals like you. Fortunately, there are relatively few of you.

By “religious liberty” you presumably mean the right to deny full civil rights for ALL citizens, including gays. And by “slaughter of the innocents” you are presumably referring with your usual hysteria, to the pro-choice rights of ALL women.

[NorrinRadd]

After all your years on TWeb how is it you still have zero basic understanding of Christian Theology?

Especially something that is one of the most basic fundamentals of the Christianity.

I don't expect you to agree with Christianity, I do expect you to have learned something about what Christians believe.

If he was serious about what he said there, it is evidence that maybe God really does actively blind infidels to the meaning of Scripture.

[Tassman]

If he was serious about what he said there, it is evidence that maybe God really does actively blind infidels to the meaning of Scripture.

What patronizing crap. There is no such thing as a “plain reading of the text.” "Everyone reads the biblical text through the lens of their own culture, theology, philosophy, and phenomenological experiences."

https://www.patheos.com/blogs/allset...-of-the-bible/

[NorrinRadd]

What patronizing crap. There is no such thing as a “plain reading of the text.” "Everyone reads the biblical text through the lens of their own culture, theology, philosophy, and phenomenological experiences."

https://www.patheos.com/blogs/allset...-of-the-bible/

Believe it or not, I somewhat agree with you about the supposed "plain reading of the text." Somewhat.

But that fact does not change my views on what JimL said. He's been interacting intensely with Christians for years. At this point, there are few excuses other than intentional misunderstanding on his own part, or active punitive blinding by God.

[Cow Poke]

What fact? I'm not sure I follow. Do you have a link to the argument?



Ok, and? I mean there's only a few options open to someone who claims to be a Christian yet champions gay and transsexual agendas, is pro choice, and constantly drives the point home that his faith will in no way influence his politics (outside of broad stroke social gospel talking points like "be humble," "be nice to others," "take care of the poor"). 1.) Buttigieg knows what scripture says, but disagrees with the mainstream scholarship and orthodox teaching on these matters. 2.) Buttigieg knows what scripture says, but doesn't feel that scripture is authoritative, or is only authoritative in the most general of ways. 3.) Buttigieg is completely ignorant of what scripture says on these matters. 4.) Buttigieg doesn't care what scripture says on these matters.

Whether he sincerely considers himself a Christian or not is sorta moot. He's either lying or is in gross error. Either way, he's offered enough examples of anti-Christian behavior for fellow Christians to judge the sincerity of his confession, and by that, I don't necessarily mean the sincerity that he himself places in that confession, but sincerity as a synonym for validity. The guy who goes home and beats his wife every night might sincerely believe he's a Christian, and may even believe he has a God-given right to do so, but I, as a fellow Christian, have the right to question the sincerity the validity of his walk with Christ if he's behaving in a way that's so contradictory to Christian faith. Same with Trump. He claims to have made Jesus Lord, but his actions don't come across as someone who really believes he's to love his enemies, to bless those who curse him, and to pray for those who abuse him.

And this isn't just a case of somebody wanting to "come to Church" and live in peace until he 'sorts things out'.

This is a case of somebody who wants to be the leader of the free world, and has made his sinful lifestyle part of the very fabric of who he is and how he would lead.

It's like - I am thrilled that my "living together without being married" people are coming to Church and are under the Gospel every Sunday. Would I ask them to teach a Sunday School class, or serve as leadership?

[Cow Poke]

Trump is standing up for himself alone...

So what? In the process, he's making a lot better choices for SCOTUS, federal judges, religious freedom than Hillary ever would have..... We didn't hire him to be preacher-in-chief.

[Cow Poke]

Believe it or not, I somewhat agree with you about the supposed "plain reading of the text." Somewhat.

But that fact does not change my views on what JimL said. He's been interacting intensely with Christians for years. At this point, there are few excuses other than intentional misunderstanding on his own part, or active punitive blinding by God.

Or maybe he's just that dumb!

[JimL]

I am not ashamed of the Gospel of Christ, and I am a believer in His Word. Sin is sin, and needs to be called that.



When somebody gets "married" to a person of the same sex, Jim, it's pretty clear they have made a choice to continue in sin.



My Faith is built on nothing less than Jesus Blood and Righteousness.

And Buttigieg is a professed christian who disagrees with you. Did you know that it is possible to be a christian, to believe in Jesus, and yet not believe everything that's in the bible? As far as I know Jesus said nothing himself about homosexuality per se.

[Cow Poke]

And Buttigieg is a professed christian who disagrees with you.

Wow, Jimmy, did you thunk that up all by your widdle seff?

[rogue06]

And Buttigieg is a professed christian who disagrees with you. Did you know that it is possible to be a christian, to believe in Jesus, and yet not believe everything that's in the bible? As far as I know Jesus said nothing himself about homosexuality per se.

He never said anything specific about incest, pedophilia or necrophilia either so I guess that means in your book He thought that they are okay

[Cow Poke]

He never said anything specific about incest, pedophilia or necrophilia either so I guess that means in your book He thought that they are okay

You don't remember the whole discourse Jesus taught on what "a boy" was, and the case He made for getting rid of the age of consent?

[Mountain Man]

Did you know that it is possible to be a christian, to believe in Jesus, and yet not believe everything that's in the bible?

Oh, I'd love to see your reasoning behind this little gem. Disagreeing with a particular interpretation is one thing, but to selectively pick and choose which parts to believe? I doubt anybody could do that and still have a correct theology.

[Raphael]

Oh, I'd love to see your reasoning behind this little gem. Disagreeing with a particular interpretation is one thing, but to selectively pick and choose which parts to believe? I doubt anybody could do that and still have a correct theology.

To be fair to JimL it is a common mindset that you can treat the Bible like a "choose your own adventure" book.
A very wrong misconception, but still a common one.

[rogue06]

To be fair to JimL it is a common mindset that you can treat the Bible like a "choose your own adventure" book.
A very wrong misconception, but still a common one.

The taking only the parts you like and leaving whatever you don't like approach is sometimes known as Cafeteria Christianity over here.