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“He felt that his whole life was a kind of dream and he sometimes wondered whose it was and whether they were enjoying it.” - Douglas Adams.
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Originally posted by Tassman View PostIf the southern churches had given up slave ownership, which their northern counterparts considered immoral, they would not have been prevented from sending missionaries. Nor would they have had to found a new denomination in order to retain their slaves.
Meanwhile, you've come a long way since your initial incorrect anti-Christian bigoted statement:
Originally posted by Tassman View PostThe Southern Baptist Convention was founded in 1845 in the Southern United States for the very purpose of maintaining slavery. It didn’t acknowledge they were wrong about it until Aug 28, 2009.
Originally posted by Tassman View PostYes, it is the interpretation of scripture that makes the difference, e.g. the Southern Baptists once interpreted scripture in such a way as to justify slavery, renouncing it officially only in 1995.
And he - supposedly a "practicing Christian" - doesn't even claim to have a spiritual life outside the Church.
Beck: You describe your faith as more liturgical than theological. So does that mean that you don't consider yourself having private, individual spirituality or a life of prayer outside of that gathered community?
Buttigieg: I don't know why I wound up liturgically conservative other than maybe habit, but I do feel that way. If there's going to be music, I want an organ, not a guitar. ...
And doesn't seem to have a clue what prayer is...
And I've always struggled with prayer as a concept, just because the idea that when you address the Almighty, we do it, grammatically, in the imperative mood. It's an interesting thing.
So, he appears to be a "Christian" who never appeals to the scripture as authoritative, other than to declare "Scripture is about protecting the stranger, and the prisoner, and the poor person, and that idea of welcome. That's what I get in the Gospel when I'm in church." Nothing about salvation, or sin, or repentance, or.... actual scripture. Doesn't have a spiritual life "outside the Church", and doesn't have a prayer life.
But he knows that he likes organ music better than guitar in church!
He doesn't appear to interpret scripture differently, Tassy --- he just totally ignores it.The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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So, the more I try to find out what Mayor Pete's faith is all about (as a foundation to blast Pence's faith) I'm finding that...
- he occasionally attends a very liberal church
- has no real "Christian life" outside that church
- does not appeal to scripture as authoritative in any way
- shapes his "gospel" on a total misrepresentation of who Jesus was and what He taught, limiting "the gospel" to "protecting the stranger, and the prisoner, and the poor person, and that idea of welcome"
- has no prayer life, thinking God already knows what we need, so why ask
- appears to be supportive of late term abortion
No wonder the liberals love his brand of "faith".The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by Cow Poke View PostOf course he does - he wants to identify as a Christian AND live a homosexual lifestyle - he has no choice, then, to rationalize homosexuality as acceptable to God in spite of scriptures that clearly say it is not.
He's entitled to be sincerely wrong,
and the fact that an anti-Christian bigot is defending him says quite a lot.“He felt that his whole life was a kind of dream and he sometimes wondered whose it was and whether they were enjoying it.” - Douglas Adams.
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Originally posted by Cow Poke View PostCitation, please.
https://www.npr.org/2018/12/13/67633...nd-deep-racism
Meanwhile, you've come a long way since your initial incorrect anti-Christian bigoted statement:
See above.
And your equally ignorant statement that:
Do you remember what all this was about, Tassman? Your phony claim that the SBC interpreted scripture to justify slavery was supposed to support your equally ignorant assertion that Mayor Pete interpreted the scriptures regarding homosexuality differently than I do. Fact is, he doesn't interpret them at all. He totally ignores them! So that whole argument is a steaming pile of horsie poo.
And he - supposedly a "practicing Christian" - doesn't even claim to have a spiritual life outside the Church.“He felt that his whole life was a kind of dream and he sometimes wondered whose it was and whether they were enjoying it.” - Douglas Adams.
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Originally posted by Tassman View PostIf the southern churches had given up slave ownership, which their northern counterparts considered immoral, they would not have been prevented from sending missionaries. Nor would they have had to found a new denomination in order to retain their slaves.1Cor 15:34 Come to your senses as you ought and stop sinning; for I say to your shame, there are some who know not God.
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Scripture before Tradition:
but that won't prevent others from
taking it upon themselves to deprive you
of the right to call yourself Christian.
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Originally posted by Tassman View PostButtigieg claims he’s a Christian and the majority of US Christians believe that a loving God accepts homosexuality, according to Pew Research. It’s not for me to judge the motives of others. I’ll leave that to you.
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Originally posted by Tassman View PostIt’s not for me to judge the motives of others. I’ll leave that to you.
Oh, THAT is precious!!!! I literally DID almost spit out my coffee, and am still laughing.The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by Tassman View PostDoes it? The majority of US Christians accept Buttigieg’s homosexuality.
Are they “anti-Christian bigots”, or just more loving people than Pastor CP?
Tassman, Jesus was loving and accepting -- of the individual, not their sin. When he encountered the woman at the well, he accepted her but exposed her sin. When he encountered the woman caught in adultery, he loved her, but he told her "go and sin no more", or "Go now and leave your life of sin."
Pete should do likewise.The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by tabibito View PostIf that option had been made available, it is likely that many would have taken it up - and no schism arisen.
The two missionary candidates who were denied service were just the "final straw" in a growing schism, much of which had absolutely nothing to do with slavery.The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by Tassman View PostYou are the citation.The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by Tassman View PostNot at all, apart from my typo re the date the SBC renounced slavery officially...
A TYPO?!?!?! Yeah, because 2009 looks an AWFUL lot like 1995!!!!
Did you actually type that with a straight face?The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by Cow Poke View PostAnd he - supposedly a "practicing Christian" - doesn't even claim to have a spiritual life outside the Church.
Originally posted by Tassman View PostLike Trump, you mean. Oh, that’s a bit harsh.The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
Oh, THAT is precious!!!! I literally DID almost spit out my coffee, and am still laughing.Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s
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Originally posted by seer View PostRight, it is not up to me to judge the motives of slave holders...The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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