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“He felt that his whole life was a kind of dream and he sometimes wondered whose it was and whether they were enjoying it.” - Douglas Adams.
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Strange thing that. Jesus addressed matters where there was error or deficiency in understanding by conventional attitudes ... but he never mentioned homosexuality.Last edited by tabibito; 05-12-2019, 11:21 PM.1Cor 15:34 Come to your senses as you ought and stop sinning; for I say to your shame, there are some who know not God.
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Scripture before Tradition:
but that won't prevent others from
taking it upon themselves to deprive you
of the right to call yourself Christian.
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Originally posted by Cow Poke View PostIt's right there, Tass - you accidentally said something true, then you tried to wiggle out of it. You have the credibility of snail poop.
Yes, your typical anti-Christian rant. That has NOTHING to do with what Buttigieg is doing, because he's not trying to interpret scripture at all - he's just flat out ignoring it. Just like you're totally ignoring Mohler's critique of Buttigieg's "Christianity".
And, as your hero Mohler pointed out, that's pretty much asinine.
The argument is that Christians throughout history have interpreted scripture so as to conform to the social mores of the of the day. And reinterpret it as societal values change. E.g many Southern US Baptists justified slavery with quotes from scripture until the practice of slavery became socially intolerable. So, in 1995, they “unwaveringly denounced racism, in all its forms, as deplorable sin”.
Here's what's happening -- Buttigieg is a homosexual, so you will do or say absolutely anything to defend him, however irrational or nutty.
Social values are changing re homosexuality and, given biblical history, Christians will revise biblical interpretation to accommodate it…just as they did re the abolition of slavery, apartheid in South Africa, and the role of women etc.“He felt that his whole life was a kind of dream and he sometimes wondered whose it was and whether they were enjoying it.” - Douglas Adams.
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Originally posted by tabibito View PostStrange thing that. Jesus addressed matters where there was error or deficiency in understanding by conventional attitudes ... but he never mentioned homosexuality.
Last edited by Bill the Cat; 05-13-2019, 02:16 PM.The ultimate weakness of violence is that it is a descending spiral begetting the very thing it seeks to destroy...returning violence for violence multiplies violence, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars. Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that. Martin Luther King
I would unite with anybody to do right and with nobody to do wrong. Frederick Douglas
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Originally posted by Tassman View PostAnd Jesus personally reinforced this right? Oh wait, Jesus didn't mention homosexuality did he? He talked about fornication, adultery, lust, marriage, divorce, and other aspects of sexuality. But he never mentioned same-sex sexual relations. He seemed more focused on loving people.Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s
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Originally posted by carpedm9587 View Post• Edited by a Moderator •Last edited by Bill the Cat; 05-13-2019, 02:16 PM.Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s
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Originally posted by Tassman View PostAnd Jesus personally reinforced this right?
Oh wait, Jesus didn't mention homosexuality did he? He talked about fornication, adultery, lust, marriage, divorce, and other aspects of sexuality. But he never mentioned same-sex sexual relations. He seemed more focused on loving people.The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by Tassman View PostCritique of Buttigieg's "Christianity" is not the argument.
Of course, a Baptist theologian would say that but this is not the argument.
The argument is that Christians throughout history have interpreted scripture so as to conform to the social mores of the of the day. And reinterpret it as societal values change. E.g many Southern US Baptists justified slavery with quotes from scripture until the practice of slavery became socially intolerable. So, in 1995, they “unwaveringly denounced racism, in all its forms, as deplorable sin”.
You say "many Southern US Baptists", (that's not how one would reference "the Southern Baptists") then you specifically refer to the official Resolution made by the Southern Baptists at our annual meeting.
I’m neither defending nor condemning him, merely making the case that he’s just as entitled to his opinion as a Christian as you and Mohler are.
Social values are changing re homosexuality and, given biblical history, Christians will revise biblical interpretation to accommodate it…just as they did re the abolition of slavery, apartheid in South Africa, and the role of women etc.
It's not about Buttigieg's "interpretation" of the Bible - its about his total DISREGARD for it. All your dishonest little diversions are beside the point.The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by seer View PostSo what? He didn't say anything about rape either, and loving others? You mean the parts about sending people to hell?
1) illicit sexual intercourseA) adultery, fornication, homosexuality, lesbianism, intercourse with animals etc.2) metaph. the worship of idols
B) sexual intercourse with close relatives; Lev. 18
C) sexual intercourse with a divorced man or woman; Mk. 10:11,12A) of the defilement of idolatry, as incurred by eating the sacrifices offered to idolsThe first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by Cow Poke View PostHe clearly spoke against "fornications", plural: [porneia / πορνεύω (G4203)]
1) illicit sexual intercourseA) adultery, fornication, homosexuality, lesbianism, intercourse with animals etc.2) metaph. the worship of idols
B) sexual intercourse with close relatives; Lev. 18
C) sexual intercourse with a divorced man or woman; Mk. 10:11,12A) of the defilement of idolatry, as incurred by eating the sacrifices offered to idols
pornè is the person: noun, nom/dtv, fem, sgl1Cor 15:34 Come to your senses as you ought and stop sinning; for I say to your shame, there are some who know not God.
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Scripture before Tradition:
but that won't prevent others from
taking it upon themselves to deprive you
of the right to call yourself Christian.
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Originally posted by tabibito View Postporneia is the action: noun, nom/dtv, fem, sgl
pornè is the person: noun, nom/dtv, fem, sglThe first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by Tassman View PostCritique of Buttigieg's "Christianity" is not the argument.
However, he actually began this attacking Pence's faith (while, oddly enough, claiming he would never question another person's faith).
When Buttigieg first "came out", Pence was asked to comment. His words - “I hold Mayor Buttigieg in the highest personal regard. I see him as a dedicated public servant and a patriot.” Beyond that, there is no evidence that Pence has ever said an unkind word about or done an unkind thing to Buttigieg.
How does Buttigieg reciprocate? “He’s nice. If he were here, you would think he’s a nice guy to your face. But he’s also fanatical.” And “That’s the thing I wish the Mike Pences of the world would understand. That if you got a problem with who I am, your problem is not with me — your quarrel, sir, is with my creator.”
So, Buttigieg can attack Trump's faith and Pence's faith, but his own is off the table?
It's no surprise at all that, in your anti-Christian bigotry, Tassman, that would be your position.The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by Cow Poke View PostYou would love to believe that to be the case.
However, he actually began this attacking Pence's faith (while, oddly enough, claiming he would never question another person's faith).
When Buttigieg first "came out", Pence was asked to comment. His words - “I hold Mayor Buttigieg in the highest personal regard. I see him as a dedicated public servant and a patriot.” Beyond that, there is no evidence that Pence has ever said an unkind word about or done an unkind thing to Buttigieg.
How does Buttigieg reciprocate? “He’s nice. If he were here, you would think he’s a nice guy to your face. But he’s also fanatical.” And “That’s the thing I wish the Mike Pences of the world would understand. That if you got a problem with who I am, your problem is not with me — your quarrel, sir, is with my creator.”
So, Buttigieg can attack Trump's faith and Pence's faith, but his own is off the table?
It's no surprise at all that, in your anti-Christian bigotry, Tassman, that would be your position.
- suggested that gay couples signaled societal collapse (Buttigieg is married to a man)
- opposed a law prohibiting discrimination against members of the LGBTQ community in the workplace (Buttigieg is gay)
- opposed the repeal of Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell (Buttigieg served in the military)
And that's just for starters. You can attack a person without calling them out by name. All you have to do is attack a class of which they are a member. I think Buttigieg's assessment of Mr. Pence is spot-on.The ultimate weakness of violence is that it is a descending spiral begetting the very thing it seeks to destroy...returning violence for violence multiplies violence, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars. Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that. Martin Luther King
I would unite with anybody to do right and with nobody to do wrong. Frederick Douglas
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Originally posted by carpedm9587 View PostPence has:
- suggested that gay couples signaled societal collapse (Buttigieg is married to a man)
- opposed a law prohibiting discrimination against members of the LGBTQ community in the workplace (Buttigieg is gay)
- opposed the repeal of Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell (Buttigieg served in the military)
And that's just for starters. You can attack a person without calling them out by name. All you have to do is attack a class of which they are a member. I think Buttigieg's assessment of Mr. Pence is spot-on.The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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