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  • Originally posted by Zymologist View Post
    I think a case like that would be a perfectly reasonable exception to the rule.
    When I was a police officer, and we were transporting a female, we were required to radio in our starting location and mileage - go to the destination in the most direct manner practical - and radio in our ending mileage and location. I'm wondering if anybody can figure out the reason that would be, when we were not required to do the same for males.
    The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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    • Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
      When I was a police officer, and we were transporting a female, we were required to radio in our current location and mileage - go to the destination in the most direct manner practical - and radio in our ending mileage and location. I'm wondering if anybody can figure out the reason that would be, when we were not required to do the same for males.
      Sexism, obviously. What else could it be?
      I DENOUNCE DONALD J. TRUMP AND ALL HIS IMMORAL ACTS.

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      • Originally posted by Zymologist View Post
        Sexism, obviously. What else could it be?
        My thoughts exactly!
        The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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        • Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
          My thoughts exactly!
          yep obviously you didn't respect or trust your female prisoners. Sad.

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          • Originally posted by Sparko View Post
            yep obviously you didn't respect or trust your female prisoners. Sad.
            I'll tell you this, though --- on average, they cuss and threaten FAR more than most men! Any time I had to transport an intoxicated female, I knew there was a distinct possibility my vocabulary would be expanded.
            The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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            • Originally posted by Zymologist View Post
              I've seen some recent photos of Keanu Reeves standing for photos with female fans, and while he has his arm around them, you can clearly see him keeping his hand from any actual physical contact.

              I wonder if this, too, would be seen as simply objectifying them.
              I'm curious? Why would you think being careful about where you put your hands is "objectifying" someone?
              The ultimate weakness of violence is that it is a descending spiral begetting the very thing it seeks to destroy...returning violence for violence multiplies violence, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars. Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that. Martin Luther King

              I would unite with anybody to do right and with nobody to do wrong. Frederick Douglas

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              • Originally posted by Sparko View Post
                Yeah it seems upside down. By making sure they keep their distance and NOT grope women, men are disrespecting them?

                I guess that means Joe Biden is showing his respect by smelling their hair and giving them shoulder rubs then.
                One can respect a person's physical space without requiring a chaperone for any encounter with (only) the opposite sex.
                The ultimate weakness of violence is that it is a descending spiral begetting the very thing it seeks to destroy...returning violence for violence multiplies violence, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars. Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that. Martin Luther King

                I would unite with anybody to do right and with nobody to do wrong. Frederick Douglas

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                • Originally posted by carpedm9587 View Post
                  I'm curious? Why would you think being careful about where you put your hands is "objectifying" someone?
                  It seems to be where your reasoning would lead. I mean, if he were to take a photo with his hand on the shoulder of a male fan, the analogous nature of the two cases seems obvious.
                  I DENOUNCE DONALD J. TRUMP AND ALL HIS IMMORAL ACTS.

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                  • Originally posted by Zymologist View Post
                    It seems to be where your reasoning would lead. I mean, if he were to take a photo with his hand on the shoulder of a male fan, the analogous nature of the two cases seems obvious.
                    Agreed. If the person you are with is comfortable with a hand-over-the-shoulder, their gender should make no difference. What should be guiding the decision is not the gender of the individual, but the relationship. I put my arm over my son's and brother's shoulders all the time. Sisters and mother as well. I have a few close friends I would do that with in a heartbeat. Most of my clients I would not - and male/female has nothing to do with it - it's the nature of the relationship that governs the decision.

                    This is what makes Pence's choice objectifying. Someone asked, earlier, about what I thought was an example form the right of "identity politics," and this is one of them. The rule/law is not based on the individual situation and relationship. It lumps "women" into a group and treats them all the same. Their identity is "woman" so "no unchaperoned meetings." If this rule were adopted by a CEO, it would mean any female subordinate would be treated differently than any male subordinate, impacting their careers and jobs.

                    The whole thing is, IMO, ludicrous.
                    The ultimate weakness of violence is that it is a descending spiral begetting the very thing it seeks to destroy...returning violence for violence multiplies violence, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars. Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that. Martin Luther King

                    I would unite with anybody to do right and with nobody to do wrong. Frederick Douglas

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                    • Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
                      I'll tell you this, though --- on average, they cuss and threaten FAR more than most men! Any time I had to transport an intoxicated female, I knew there was a distinct possibility my vocabulary would be expanded.
                      I was watching LivePD a few weeks ago (a repeat) and their was this woman - drunk or high, or both - who was cussing and fighting with the cops. They ended up putting her on a stretcher, wrapping her in a velcro tube they called "the burrito" and sending her off in an ambulance to get checked out. And she was still cursing them on the way to the ambulance. It was one long series of beeps.


                      ETA: LOL I found it on youtube. It still has some words in it that we can't put on tweb, so watch at your own risk.

                      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AsoHj-ONcy4

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                      • Originally posted by carpedm9587 View Post
                        This is what makes Pence's choice objectifying.
                        That you abhor him is another factor.

                        The whole thing is, IMO, ludicrous.
                        You're certainly entitled to your opinion, but what skin is it off your nose if somebody else chooses to err on the side of caution.
                        The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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                        • Originally posted by Sparko View Post
                          I was watching LivePD a few weeks ago (a repeat) and their was this woman - drunk or high, or both - who was cussing and fighting with the cops. They ended up putting her on a stretcher, wrapping her in a velcro tube they called "the burrito" and sending her off in an ambulance to get checked out. And she was still cursing them on the way to the ambulance. It was one long series of beeps.


                          ETA: LOL I found it on youtube. It still has some words in it that we can't put on tweb, so watch at your own risk.

                          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AsoHj-ONcy4
                          We actually had special training in basic on how to escort a drunk woman out of a bar, for instance, with a special "thumb hold", because it if looked like we were abusing a woman, all the other drunks would pile on.

                          One of the women I was escorting out actually broke free, dropped to her knees and tried to bite... um... I ended up with a big purple bruise on my upper inner thigh near my kibbles that would have been far worse had I not been wearing my winter uniform, which included thicker wool pants. (In Texas, there are only about 3 days per year those are desired )
                          The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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                          • Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
                            That you abhor him is another factor.
                            I don't recommend you go into business as a mindreader...

                            Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
                            You're certainly entitled to your opinion, but what skin is it off your nose if somebody else chooses to err on the side of caution.
                            It's no skin off my nose that Madoff bilked hundreds of people - that doesn't mean I don't think its wrong.
                            It's no skin off my nose that hundreds of people were harmed or died in the California wildfires - that doesn't mean I don't find it sad.
                            It's no skin off my nose that people are/were rioting in France - that doesn't mean I don't find rioting a bad thing.

                            When someone in a public position makes a bad example by objectifying people - I'd rather point it out than "let it slide."
                            The ultimate weakness of violence is that it is a descending spiral begetting the very thing it seeks to destroy...returning violence for violence multiplies violence, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars. Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that. Martin Luther King

                            I would unite with anybody to do right and with nobody to do wrong. Frederick Douglas

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                            • Originally posted by carpedm9587 View Post
                              I don't recommend you go into business as a mindreader...
                              Oh, don't worry, I only play on on Tweb.

                              It's no skin off my nose that Madoff bilked hundreds of people - that doesn't mean I don't think its wrong.
                              It's no skin off my nose that hundreds of people were harmed or died in the California wildfires - that doesn't mean I don't find it sad.
                              It's no skin off my nose that people are/were rioting in France - that doesn't mean I don't find rioting a bad thing.
                              wow... yeah, those are EXACTLY like Pence showing good judgment.

                              When someone in a public position makes a bad example by objectifying people - I'd rather point it out than "let it slide."
                              It's your opinion that it's "objectifying people", and it's your right to yap about it, but could you please do it somewhere else? Maybe you could start another thread!
                              The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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                              • Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
                                We actually had special training in basic on how to escort a drunk woman out of a bar, for instance, with a special "thumb hold", because it if looked like we were abusing a woman, all the other drunks would pile on.

                                One of the women I was escorting out actually broke free, dropped to her knees and tried to bite... um... I ended up with a big purple bruise on my upper inner thigh near my kibbles that would have been far worse had I not been wearing my winter uniform, which included thicker wool pants. (In Texas, there are only about 3 days per year those are desired )
                                So, interestingly enough, the Sheriff just called me to talk to me about a situation where one of our 'ministers'* was doing a clergy visit, and ended up in the women's library with one of the women.....

                                Too bad he wasn't only "objectifying" her, but, um....


                                Sheeeeesh!!!!!



                                *I maintain that roster, and never heard of this guy
                                The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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