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    US policy that ignores the slaughter of Christians and others in the SUDAN

    Since mossy doesn't want the abuse of Christians discussed in her thread if it's caused by the policies of the current administration:

    Information on the current push to normalize relations with Sudan

    https://www.cnn.com/interactive/2019...on-talks-intl/

    Background on the fact the Sudan has one of the worst persecution records against Christians. An Islamic government that brutalizes the Christians that live there.

    https://www.opendoorsusa.org/christi...ch-list/sudan/

    Can you support Trump's desire to normalize relations with a nation that has one of the worst records of violence against Christians?


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    Last edited by oxmixmudd; 04-08-2019 at 10:06 AM.
    Jorge's trueorigins paper: "...it is known that other volcanic features match what is usually associated with impact craters including ... shatter cones and crystal deformations"

    Planetary Science Institute: "Shatter cones are found in only two places on Earth, 1) in nuclear test sites and 2) meteorite impact structures. They are formed as a result of the high pressure, high velocity shock wave ...

    maximum pressures from 45 to 200 times greater than found in volcanic events (2->20 Gpa)

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    Quote Originally Posted by oxmixmudd View Post
    Since mossy doesn't want the abuse of Christians discussed in her thread if it's caused by the policies of the current administration:

    Information on the current push to normalize relations with Sudan

    https://www.cnn.com/interactive/2019...on-talks-intl/

    Background on the fact the Sudan has one of the worst persecution records against Christians. An Islamic government that brutalizes the Christians that live there.

    https://www.opendoorsusa.org/christi...ch-list/sudan/

    Can you support Trump's desire to normalize relations with a nation that has one of the worst records of violence against Christians?


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    From a strategic standpoint, normalizing relations with the Sudan makes sense. From a human rights perspective, you'll never get them to improve while isolating them.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Bill the Cat View Post
    From a strategic standpoint, normalizing relations with the Sudan makes sense. From a human rights perspective, you'll never get them to improve while isolating them.
    I disagree. Out of curiosity, what do you suppose would motivate them to change if we eliminate the carrot of normalized relations by ignoring this issue? Would they not see that as removing the need to adjust that part of who they are in order to gain the advantages normalized relations would bring?

    And assuming nothing we do would help, why does that mean it is then ok to then give them the benefits of normalized relations? Do we not have a moral obligation to push back against this sort of human rights violation?

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    Last edited by oxmixmudd; 04-08-2019 at 01:12 PM.
    Jorge's trueorigins paper: "...it is known that other volcanic features match what is usually associated with impact craters including ... shatter cones and crystal deformations"

    Planetary Science Institute: "Shatter cones are found in only two places on Earth, 1) in nuclear test sites and 2) meteorite impact structures. They are formed as a result of the high pressure, high velocity shock wave ...

    maximum pressures from 45 to 200 times greater than found in volcanic events (2->20 Gpa)

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    Quote Originally Posted by oxmixmudd View Post
    I disagree. Out of curiosity, what do you suppose would motivate them to change if we eliminate the carrot of normalized relations by ignoring this issue? Would they not see that as removing the need to adjust that part of who they are in order to gain the advantages normalized relations would bring?

    And assuming nothing we do would help, why does that mean it is then ok to then give them the benefits of normalized relations? Do we not have a moral obligation to push back against this sort of human rights violation?

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    Is there actually a serious Sudanese government with whom to negotiate?
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    Quote Originally Posted by oxmixmudd View Post
    I disagree. Out of curiosity, what do you suppose would motivate them to change if we eliminate the carrot of normalized relations by ignoring this issue? Would they not see that as removing the need to adjust that part of who they are in order to gain the advantages normalized relations would bring?

    And assuming nothing we do would help, why does that mean it is then ok to then give them the benefits of normalized relations? Do we not have a moral obligation to push back against this sort of human rights violation?

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    It is easier to keep an eye on the country from an embassy. Normalized relations make embassies easier to keep.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cow Poke View Post
    Is there actually a serious Sudanese government with whom to negotiate?
    ? Why would the Trump administration want to normalize relations with a non-existent entity ?
    Jorge's trueorigins paper: "...it is known that other volcanic features match what is usually associated with impact craters including ... shatter cones and crystal deformations"

    Planetary Science Institute: "Shatter cones are found in only two places on Earth, 1) in nuclear test sites and 2) meteorite impact structures. They are formed as a result of the high pressure, high velocity shock wave ...

    maximum pressures from 45 to 200 times greater than found in volcanic events (2->20 Gpa)

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    Quote Originally Posted by oxmixmudd View Post
    ? Why would the Trump administration want to normalize relations with a non-existent entity ?
    I never said they were non-existent, did I?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cow Poke View Post
    I never said they were non-existent, did I?
    Hyperbole deserves hyperbole, does it not?

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    Jorge's trueorigins paper: "...it is known that other volcanic features match what is usually associated with impact craters including ... shatter cones and crystal deformations"

    Planetary Science Institute: "Shatter cones are found in only two places on Earth, 1) in nuclear test sites and 2) meteorite impact structures. They are formed as a result of the high pressure, high velocity shock wave ...

    maximum pressures from 45 to 200 times greater than found in volcanic events (2->20 Gpa)

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