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    There Was Spying On The Trump Campaign

    This is going to get interesting...

    WASHINGTON, April 10 (Reuters) - Attorney General William Barr said on Wednesday U.S. intelligence agencies engaged in spying directed at the 2016 presidential campaign of Donald Trump and that he would look at whether the surveillance was undertaken legally.

    "I think spying did occur," Barr told a Senate hearing. "But the question is whether it was adequately predicated and I am not suggesting that it wasn't adequately predicated. ... I am not suggesting those rules were violated, but I think it is important to look at that. And I am not talking about the FBI necessarily, but intelligence agencies more broadly.

    "I think spying on a political campaign is a big deal - it's a big deal."


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    Well, Barr is clearly compromised by the Russians, so....
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zymologist View Post
    Well, Barr is clearly compromised by the Russians, so....
    Then there is that...
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    Quote Originally Posted by seer View Post
    This is going to get interesting...

    WASHINGTON, April 10 (Reuters) - Attorney General William Barr said on Wednesday U.S. intelligence agencies engaged in spying directed at the 2016 presidential campaign of Donald Trump and that he would look at whether the surveillance was undertaken legally.

    "I think spying did occur," Barr told a Senate hearing. "But the question is whether it was adequately predicated and I am not suggesting that it wasn't adequately predicated. ... I am not suggesting those rules were violated, but I think it is important to look at that. And I am not talking about the FBI necessarily, but intelligence agencies more broadly.

    "I think spying on a political campaign is a big deal - it's a big deal."


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    As there should have been.

    Given the connections between so many involved and the Russians, there should have been spying. Our intelligence communities would have been remiss given the known ties (and now known convictions of so many involved .esp Manafort and Cohen, even up to and including the compromise of Flynn) NOT to have investigated those connections.

    In case you were not aware, (excepting of course Donald Trump bypassing such rules for his children and friends), if one is to have access to classified or otherwise compromising intelligence information pertaining the the US - ALL foreign contacts of a potentially compromising nature MUST be disclosed and likely will be investigated. Any such connection NOT disclosed ARE grounds for suspicion, and in the cases of mere mortals, the potential loss of access to said information.

    They don't have to actually be a problem for the requirement for disclosure to apply. Just the appearance of a problem IS a problem.

    Anyone running for office that has such hidden connections should be, and apparently was, investigated.



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    Quote Originally Posted by oxmixmudd View Post
    As there should have been.

    Given the connections between so many involved and the Russians, there should have been spying. Our intelligence communities would have been remiss given the known ties (and now known convictions of so many involved, including the compromise of Flynn) NOT to have investigated those connections.


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    Where wasn't there spying on the Clinton campaign with their connections to Russia?

    https://thehill.com/opinion/white-ho...-the-democrats
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    Quote Originally Posted by oxmixmudd View Post
    As there should have been.

    Given the connections between so many involved and the Russians, there should have been spying. Our intelligence communities would have been remiss given the known ties (and now known convictions of so many involved, including the compromise of Flynn) NOT to have investigated those connections.


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    That's crazy Jim. A government spying on the people running for election?
    Especially the opposition party? That smacks of totalitarianism.

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    Quote Originally Posted by seer View Post
    Where wasn't there spying on the Clinton campaign with their connections to Russia?

    https://thehill.com/opinion/white-ho...-the-democrats
    I don't believe I said one thing about any other person or organization on the face of the earth. The general principles I gave should be applied uniformly to all people and groups. Your comment is inappropriate as nothing I said excused any other potentially guilty party.

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    Quote Originally Posted by oxmixmudd View Post
    I don't believe I said one thing about any other person or organization on the face of the earth. The general principles I gave should be applied uniformly to all people and groups. Your comment is inappropriate as nothing I said excused any other potentially guilty party.

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    Correct. What this all shows is that we have quite many people on tweb who claim to believe in absolute standards but rely on relativism for all practical purposes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sparko View Post
    That's crazy Jim. A government spying on the people running for election?
    Especially the opposition party? That smacks of totalitarianism.
    I'm sorry Sparko - you clearly do not understand what security clearances and national security is about. Any potential threat has to be pursued. People hiding contacts with potential threats are themselves potential threats. It doesn't matter who those people are. It is a simple fact that people running for office that have characteristics that would otherwise disqualify them from access to critical information should be investigated and if necessary spied upon. And the sooner the better so that if there is a problem they can be exposed before they get into office.

    Yes, IF the organizations managing national security are populated with people loyal to a party or an individual rather than the constitution it is a problem.

    But that is why Trump is such a problem. He as much or more than any before him wants all our critical apolitical offices to be populated with people loyal to himself above all else. And so far, thankfully, he's had a hard time finding people that will compromise themselves that fully. That is why he has fired so many people.

    The organizations that manage these issues are intended to be and should be apolitical. Their loyalty MUST be to the rule of law and the constitution itself.

    But the blind support of so many to Trump, no matter what he does, has opened the door like never before to the actual compromise of these institutions that protect us by caring more about the constitution and the rule of law that who happens to currently be in power.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Charles View Post
    Correct. What this all shows is that we have quite many people on tweb who claim to believe in absolute standards but rely on relativism for all practical purposes.
    Unfortunately, that is true from what I can tell, at least in politics.

    But even more unfortunately, TWEB is simply a reflection of the approach of a majority in the larger US evangelical/conservative population.

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