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  • Originally posted by oxmixmudd View Post
    No - you don't feel incredibly sad for me. You despise me and feel nothing but disdain for me. Please speak the truth.

    Jim
    Jim, I am speaking the truth. Please do not insult me by telling me how I feel inside.
    Enter the Church and wash away your sins. For here there is a hospital and not a court of law. Do not be ashamed to enter the Church; be ashamed when you sin, but not when you repent. – St. John Chrysostom

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    • Originally posted by oxmixmudd View Post
      and yet more disdain and hatred. It's all you have.


      Jim

      Jim, I deleted my post, because I regretted that I had said what I did. I do not hate you, I am not full of disdain for you. We disagree on many things, but you are my brother in Christ and I love you.


      Securely anchored to the Rock amid every storm of trial, testing or tribulation.

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      • Originally posted by One Bad Pig View Post
        Jim, I am speaking the truth. Please do not insult me by telling me how I feel inside.
        Please do not insult you - why? Since when have you refrained from insulting me when the opportunity arose? And it is that simple fact which speaks the truth of what you 'feel inside'.

        Jim
        My brethren, do not hold your faith in our glorious Lord Jesus Christ with an attitude of personal favoritism. James 2:1

        If anyone thinks himself to be religious, and yet does not  bridle his tongue but deceives his own heart, this man’s religion is worthless James 1:26

        This you know, my beloved brethren. But everyone must be quick to hear, slow to speak and slow to anger; James 1:19

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        • Originally posted by mossrose View Post
          Jim, I deleted my post, because I regretted that I had said what I did. I do not hate you, I am not full of disdain for you. We disagree on many things, but you are my brother in Christ and I love you.
          thank you mossy. I really appreciate that.

          Jim
          My brethren, do not hold your faith in our glorious Lord Jesus Christ with an attitude of personal favoritism. James 2:1

          If anyone thinks himself to be religious, and yet does not  bridle his tongue but deceives his own heart, this man’s religion is worthless James 1:26

          This you know, my beloved brethren. But everyone must be quick to hear, slow to speak and slow to anger; James 1:19

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          • Originally posted by oxmixmudd View Post
            thank you mossy. I really appreciate that.

            Jim



            Securely anchored to the Rock amid every storm of trial, testing or tribulation.

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            • Originally posted by oxmixmudd View Post
              Please do not insult you - why? Since when have you refrained from insulting me when the opportunity arose? And it is that simple fact which speaks the truth of what you 'feel inside'.

              Jim
              This idea that you can't use insults without feeling distain and hatred for one's ideological opponents has some interesting implications for scripture.

              Of course the premise behind your remarks is that YOU don't ever deserve to be the target of insults and sarcasm, which also has some interesting implications for scripture.
              Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
              But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
              Than a fool in the eyes of God


              From "Fools Gold" by Petra

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              • Originally posted by oxmixmudd View Post
                Please do not insult you - why? Since when have you refrained from insulting me when the opportunity arose? And it is that simple fact which speaks the truth of what you 'feel inside'.

                Jim
                Whatever you want to believe Jim. Again, I feel sad for you, because it appears that there is nothing I can truthfully say which will change anything. I refuse to lie to make you feel better.
                Enter the Church and wash away your sins. For here there is a hospital and not a court of law. Do not be ashamed to enter the Church; be ashamed when you sin, but not when you repent. – St. John Chrysostom

                Veritas vos Liberabit<>< Learn Greek <>< Look here for an Orthodox Church in America<><Ancient Faith Radio
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                I recommend you do not try too hard and ...research as little as possible. Such weighty things give me a headache. - Shunyadragon, Baha'i apologist

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                • Originally posted by Mountain Man View Post
                  This idea that you can't use insults without feeling distain and hatred for one's ideological opponents has some interesting implications for scripture.

                  Of course the premise behind your remarks is that YOU don't ever deserve to be the target of insults and sarcasm, which also has some interesting implications for scripture.
                  Always attacking the man.

                  Jim
                  My brethren, do not hold your faith in our glorious Lord Jesus Christ with an attitude of personal favoritism. James 2:1

                  If anyone thinks himself to be religious, and yet does not  bridle his tongue but deceives his own heart, this man’s religion is worthless James 1:26

                  This you know, my beloved brethren. But everyone must be quick to hear, slow to speak and slow to anger; James 1:19

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                  • Originally posted by One Bad Pig View Post
                    Whatever you want to believe Jim. Again, I feel sad for you, because it appears that there is nothing I can truthfully say which will change anything. I refuse to lie to make you feel better.
                    There are things that can be said. Just not insults to my character or my sanity. Those sorts of things are not going to change anything.

                    Jim
                    My brethren, do not hold your faith in our glorious Lord Jesus Christ with an attitude of personal favoritism. James 2:1

                    If anyone thinks himself to be religious, and yet does not  bridle his tongue but deceives his own heart, this man’s religion is worthless James 1:26

                    This you know, my beloved brethren. But everyone must be quick to hear, slow to speak and slow to anger; James 1:19

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                    • Originally posted by oxmixmudd View Post
                      There are things that can be said.
                      Jim
                      Said, yes. Believed? That is the question. I think it perhaps best if I just not interact with you. I apologize for doing so.
                      Enter the Church and wash away your sins. For here there is a hospital and not a court of law. Do not be ashamed to enter the Church; be ashamed when you sin, but not when you repent. – St. John Chrysostom

                      Veritas vos Liberabit<>< Learn Greek <>< Look here for an Orthodox Church in America<><Ancient Faith Radio
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                      I recommend you do not try too hard and ...research as little as possible. Such weighty things give me a headache. - Shunyadragon, Baha'i apologist

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                      • Originally posted by oxmixmudd View Post
                        Always attacking the man.

                        Jim
                        I appreciate you saying this just a few posts after you've openly accused most of the regulars here of being hateful and disdainful.
                        Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
                        But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
                        Than a fool in the eyes of God


                        From "Fools Gold" by Petra

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                        • Originally posted by oxmixmudd View Post
                          And again you attack me, not the actual ideas I propose. Criticism of an idea is fine. "You are unhinged from reality" is not criticism of an idea. It is a criticism of me. "That idea is unhinged from reality" would be an opinion about the idea. When is the last time I told you that you were unhinged from reality. Or that you were mentally ill because the ideas you hold differ from my own? Do you not understand the difference between ad hominem which focuses attention on what is wrong with the person and actual debate of an idea?

                          You can call out an idea without calling out the person. None of you seem aware of that, and in fact, you are blatantly hypocritical about it. You have not the slightest concern about saying the most vile things about me the person while if I even hint that one of you is not a perfectly sane upstanding person you go completely ballistic.

                          I hope each of you has to deal with what I've dealt with from you. You have no clue - not one.

                          This website, this forum, represents the bottom of the barrel when it comes to Christians beating up on one another. It's like you took Galations 5 and decided to turn it on its head, day in and day out. And it doesn't matter if the target of your putrid bile is Christian or non-Christian. Everyone gets the same treatment if they dare to think differently from you. As far as I am concerned, the only person you treat worse is JimL, and I have no clue why he bothers to interact with you at all.

                          Jim
                          To be honest I don't know why you're still hanging around if everyone really is that horrible to you. You have changed. The Ox I knew was a reasonable man who valued friendships and good dialogue even if he disagreed with people. He took criticism and feedback with grace and strove to be better. This Ox, however, seems to have disappeared has been replaced with a bitter man who lashes out at anyone who expresses concern about his posts, who sees enemies at every turn when there are none. Your biggest enemy is yourself, Ox. So many of our friends have been struggling to understand what has happened to create this Hyde to your formal Jekyll. Many have reached out only be verbally backhanded by you. So how can you claim to be constantly attacked when you post vitriol like this. You disappoint me, sir. You need help so you can find peace and light. I pray for you.
                          I am Punkinhead.

                          "I have missed you, Oh Grand High Priestess of the Order of the Stirring Pot"

                          ~ Cow Poke aka CP aka Creacher aka ke7ejx's apprentice....

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                          • Originally posted by One Bad Pig View Post
                            Jim, I am speaking the truth. Please do not insult me by telling me how I feel inside.
                            Oh the irony....
                            The ultimate weakness of violence is that it is a descending spiral begetting the very thing it seeks to destroy...returning violence for violence multiplies violence, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars. Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that. Martin Luther King

                            I would unite with anybody to do right and with nobody to do wrong. Frederick Douglas

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                            • Originally posted by carpedm9587 View Post
                              Oh the irony....
                              Enter the Church and wash away your sins. For here there is a hospital and not a court of law. Do not be ashamed to enter the Church; be ashamed when you sin, but not when you repent. – St. John Chrysostom

                              Veritas vos Liberabit<>< Learn Greek <>< Look here for an Orthodox Church in America<><Ancient Faith Radio
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                              I recommend you do not try too hard and ...research as little as possible. Such weighty things give me a headache. - Shunyadragon, Baha'i apologist

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                              • Jim (Ox, not JimL) I have no real dog in this fight as quite literally Trump is #NotMyPresident (because #NotAnAmericanAndNeverWillBe).

                                I don't see the man as being a paragon of virtue. I've also often stated that my support for him is more an indictment on the alternatives from the Democrats than actual support for Trump. I also see him as something of a loud mouth braggart (but then that is part of his brand).
                                At the same time I see him as doing his darndest to keep his campaign promises (even the ones I disagree with).
                                I admire him for being a teetotaller. And for switching to being pro-life when he realised the horrors of abortion.

                                I also recognise that the man has been under relentless attack from the Media and the Democrats since before he began a serious tilt at the White House (I think it was the White House Press dinner where Obama mocked and belittled him that made him go for it)

                                I think Trump deserves to be criticised where he is wrong, but at the same time the good things he does deserve praise. And it is fallacious to claim that he has done no good. And it is also not right to blame him for things that in some cases happened under his predecessors.

                                I also don't think his detractors can have it both ways. He is either a bumbling incompetent I've heard him described as or a mastermind who colluded with the Russians. He can't be both as they are mutually exclusive.
                                Be watchful, stand firm in the faith, act like men, be strong.
                                1 Corinthians 16:13

                                "...he [Doherty] is no historian and he is not even conversant with the historical discussions of the very matters he wants to pontificate on."
                                -Ben Witherington III

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