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The ultimate weakness of violence is that it is a descending spiral begetting the very thing it seeks to destroy...returning violence for violence multiplies violence, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars. Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that. Martin Luther King
I would unite with anybody to do right and with nobody to do wrong. Frederick Douglas
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Originally posted by Mountain Man View PostDershowitz said Trump cannot be guilty of obstruction for performing duties allowed under his constitutional presidential powers.
“[I]n my introduction in the Mueller report, I go through the elements of obstruction of justice,” he said. “The act itself has to be illegal. It can’t be an act that is authorized under Article Two of the Constitution.”
That included the firing of then-FBI Director James Comey, he contended.
“It’s not even a close case,” Dershowitz explained. “The best analogy is president George H. W. Bush pardoned Caspar Weinberger on the eve of his trial in order to stop the Iran-Contra investigation. The special prosecutor said he did it for that reason. Nobody suggested obstruction. It can’t be obstruction of justice if the president is acting within his authority. Nixon obstructed justice because he acted outside his authority, destroying evidence, paying hush money, telling his subordinates to lie to the FBI.”
Dershowitz warned Democrats, including Rep. Maxine Waters (D-CA), there would be consequences if Democrats continued to pursue impeachment.
“I am telling her all of the time,” he added. “She better start listening, because it’s going to come back to hurt the Democrats. I am a Democrat. I’m a liberal. I want to see the Constitution complied with, I want the Democrats to do the right thing, get back to the business of legislating.”
https://www.breitbart.com/clips/2019...the-democrats/Geislerminian Antinomian Kenotic Charispneumaticostal Gender Mutualist-Egalitarian.
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Originally posted by JimL View PostI think you are now agreeing with me carpe, that's exactly what I said, there should be Congressional hearings so that the American people can decide for themselves after hearing and seeing it, and the Congress can decide as well whether or not to impeach. In my opinion there is more than sufficient evidence to conclude impeachment is necessary, but I think it imperitive that Congressional hearings take place so the American people can judge for themselves as well. The politics should have nothing to do with whether to impeach or not, it's about the evidence and the moral and Constitutional responsibility to do so.The ultimate weakness of violence is that it is a descending spiral begetting the very thing it seeks to destroy...returning violence for violence multiplies violence, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars. Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that. Martin Luther King
I would unite with anybody to do right and with nobody to do wrong. Frederick Douglas
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Originally posted by Cow Poke View PostWannnnhhhhhh, Trump is a crook, we need an investigation.... Special Council!!!! YAY!!!! Mueller is on the job, indictments are flying, people are going to JAIL!!!! Trump is going DOWN!!!!!
Waaaannnnnhhhhhh, Mueller didn't deliver what we wanted, we want MORE hearings....
Too many unanswered questions.The ultimate weakness of violence is that it is a descending spiral begetting the very thing it seeks to destroy...returning violence for violence multiplies violence, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars. Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that. Martin Luther King
I would unite with anybody to do right and with nobody to do wrong. Frederick Douglas
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Originally posted by Mountain Man View PostIt's like Hillary saying she would accept the results of the election when she felt certain she would win.The ultimate weakness of violence is that it is a descending spiral begetting the very thing it seeks to destroy...returning violence for violence multiplies violence, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars. Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that. Martin Luther King
I would unite with anybody to do right and with nobody to do wrong. Frederick Douglas
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Originally posted by Mountain Man View PostThe evidence suggests that the investigation was not only shady but entirely politically motivated, not least is the fact that despite expending tremendous resources and digging deep into Trump's professional and personal life, they couldn't find even a scrap of evidence that implicates Trump.
I know this frustrates you, but it's the simple truth
"Innocent" (i.e., didn't do it) and "Legally innocent" (i.e., cannot legally prove he did it) are not the same things. The fact is, we are in a grey area in between. On the issue of Russian collusion, the report appears to clear Trump's campaign (legally, if not morally). On the issue of obstruction of justice, it does not.The ultimate weakness of violence is that it is a descending spiral begetting the very thing it seeks to destroy...returning violence for violence multiplies violence, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars. Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that. Martin Luther King
I would unite with anybody to do right and with nobody to do wrong. Frederick Douglas
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Originally posted by rogue06 View PostFrom something I just posted in another thread:
And what does a percentage of what people think about X tell us about the truth of X?The ultimate weakness of violence is that it is a descending spiral begetting the very thing it seeks to destroy...returning violence for violence multiplies violence, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars. Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that. Martin Luther King
I would unite with anybody to do right and with nobody to do wrong. Frederick Douglas
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Originally posted by Mountain Man View Post"This investigation could not conclude that the President committed any crimes."
-Special Counsel Robert Mueller
"After reviewing the Special Counsel's final report on these issues; consulting with Department officials, including the Office of Legal Counsel; and applying the principles of federal prosecution that guide our charging decisions, Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein and I have concluded that the evidence developed during the Special Counsel's investigation is not sufficient to establish that the President committed an obstruction-of-justice offense."
-Attorney General William Barr
"While this report does not conclude that the President committed a crime, it also does not exonerate him."Last edited by carpedm9587; 04-27-2019, 04:21 PM.The ultimate weakness of violence is that it is a descending spiral begetting the very thing it seeks to destroy...returning violence for violence multiplies violence, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars. Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that. Martin Luther King
I would unite with anybody to do right and with nobody to do wrong. Frederick Douglas
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Originally posted by NorrinRadd View PostI believe it was in that same interview that Dersh said something to the effect that most of Trump's "coup" language is over the top, with the exception of the "25th Amendment" stuff. Anyone who was involved in those discussions was participating in an attempted bloodless coup.The ultimate weakness of violence is that it is a descending spiral begetting the very thing it seeks to destroy...returning violence for violence multiplies violence, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars. Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that. Martin Luther King
I would unite with anybody to do right and with nobody to do wrong. Frederick Douglas
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Originally posted by NorrinRadd View PostI believe it was in that same interview that Dersh said something to the effect that most of Trump's "coup" language is over the top, with the exception of the "25th Amendment" stuff. Anyone who was involved in those discussions was participating in an attempted bloodless coup.
It's only a 'bloodless coup' if the condition for which that statute exists doesn't actually exist.
JimMy brethren, do not hold your faith in our glorious Lord Jesus Christ with an attitude of personal favoritism. James 2:1
If anyone thinks himself to be religious, and yet does not bridle his tongue but deceives his own heart, this man’s religion is worthless James 1:26
This you know, my beloved brethren. But everyone must be quick to hear, slow to speak and slow to anger; James 1:19
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Originally posted by carpedm9587 View PostI notice you cheery-picked the first quote. Here is the entire quote:
"While this report does not conclude that the President committed a crime, it also does not exonerate him."Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
Than a fool in the eyes of God
From "Fools Gold" by Petra
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Originally posted by Mountain Man View PostWhich part of Mueller's report convinced you that Trump was guilty: the part where Mueller said no members of the Trump campaign coordinated or conspired with Russia,
https://www.businessinsider.com/trum...imeline-2018-7
or was it the part where he said he could not conclude that Trump obstructed justice?“He felt that his whole life was a kind of dream and he sometimes wondered whose it was and whether they were enjoying it.” - Douglas Adams.
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Originally posted by oxmixmudd View PostNot if Trump's mental or psychological condition rendered(or renders) him unfit for office.
It's only a 'bloodless coup' if the condition for which that statute exists doesn't actually exist.
Jim
Kindly read Turley's 2017 comments here, and explain why anyone seriously advocating that route is not a ridiculous jackass.Geislerminian Antinomian Kenotic Charispneumaticostal Gender Mutualist-Egalitarian.
Beige Federalist.
Nationalist Christian.
"Everybody is somebody's heretic."
Social Justice is usually the opposite of actual justice.
Proud member of the this space left blank community.
Would-be Grand Vizier of the Padishah Maxi-Super-Ultra-Hyper-Mega-MAGA King Trumpius Rex.
Justice for Ashli Babbitt!
Justice for Matthew Perna!
Arrest Ray Epps and his Fed bosses!
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Originally posted by Mountain Man View PostWe've been over this before: That was a partly political statement because prosecutors don't exonerate for the very simple reason that one is presumed innocent until convicted, and as former federal prosecutor Chris Christie said, when a prosecutor says he could find no reason to charge you with a crime then you don't need to be exonerated.
It actually doesn't change that you cherry-picked the quote to emphasize what you wanted to emphasize. I just provided the entire statement so others could make their own judgments.The ultimate weakness of violence is that it is a descending spiral begetting the very thing it seeks to destroy...returning violence for violence multiplies violence, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars. Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that. Martin Luther King
I would unite with anybody to do right and with nobody to do wrong. Frederick Douglas
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Originally posted by carpedm9587 View PostYes - we already determined that if you agree with it - it's "legal." If you disagree, it's "political."
It actually doesn't change that you cherry-picked the quote to emphasize what you wanted to emphasize. I just provided the entire statement so others could make their own judgments.Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
Than a fool in the eyes of God
From "Fools Gold" by Petra
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