The Mueller Report

[oxmixmudd]

Right. First question:

What laws did Mueller explicitly say Trump was guilty of violating, and what was the specific evidence for each charge?

He obstructed justice silly. Volume 2 of the report details each act. And the report clearly says there is no evidence that can clear him of the intent so indicated in each of those documented actions, which is the crux of obstruction. Not the act, but its intent - to interfere with the investigation. Obstruction does not have to be a criminal act apart from its intent to interfere with an investigation.

Jim

[firstfloor]

Right. First question:

What laws did Mueller explicitly say Trump was guilty of violating, and what was the specific evidence for each charge?

We know that you know enough about the Mueller report to know what a stupid question that is, so, to bounce it back to you; Why did Mueller not indict POTUS?

There is plenty of evidence of cooperation with a foreign entity, not rising to the level of criminal conspiracy. There is also more than sufficient evidence of obstruction that may well lead to legal proceedings against POTUS, who is without doubt, a criminal awaiting an opponent with guts to challenge his tyranny.

[Cow Poke]

On the contrary, what Mueller said "loudly and clearly"

Actually, he was rather subdued in his speech.

[seer]

He obstructed justice silly. Jim

That is not true Jim, Trump didn't actually obstruct anything.

[Cow Poke]

There is plenty of evidence of cooperation with a foreign entity, not rising to the level of criminal conspiracy.

Hence, no crime.

There is also more than sufficient evidence of obstruction that may well lead to legal proceedings against POTUS,

Actually, impeachment is more political than legal.

[Bill the Cat]

He obstructed justice silly.

No he didn't. There were several instances of behavior that Mueller listed that needed to be judged to see if they were legitimate obstruction, but no conclusion of obstruction was reached. Ergo, you are wrong. He is accused of obstruction by the Democrat house members, but has neither been charged or convicted of that.

Volume 2 of the report details each act. And the report clearly says there is no evidence that can clear him of the intent so indicated in each of those documented actions, which is the crux of obstruction.

No it isn't. Legally, there has to be clear intent for obstruction, and Mueller did not determine any of these instances rose to the level of intentional obstruction.

Not the act, but its intent - to interfere with the investigation. Obstruction does not have to be a criminal act apart from its intent to interfere with an investigation.

Which has not been shown. It's been assumed by you anti-Trumpers, but never been actually charged. Mueller has left that up to Congress to determine whether the actions by Trump rose to the level of actual obstruction. As far as criminal charges of obstruction, he also made it clear that the Justice Department had the final say, and they have spoken, and Mueller did not disagree with Barr's decision.

[Mountain Man]

He obstructed justice silly. Volume 2 of the report details each act. And the report clearly says there is no evidence that can clear him of the intent so indicated in each of those documented actions, which is the crux of obstruction. Not the act, but its intent - to interfere with the investigation. Obstruction does not have to be a criminal act apart from its intent to interfere with an investigation.

Jim

"Obstruction of justice" is a blanket term, like "traffic violation"; there are dozens of individual crimes that fall under that description. So I ask again:

What laws did Mueller explicitly say Trump was guilty of violating, and what was the specific evidence for each charge?

Another interesting point to consider is Mueller's lack of candor. Why is he so reluctant to answer any questions? He fled from the press conference yesterday without taking a single question from journalists, and he effectively flipped the bird to Congress when he said he refuses to testify. This begs the question: What is Mueller trying to hide?

[JimL]

It's been observed here and elsewhere that if Democrats institute impeachment proceedings, it's rather more likely to hurt than help them - which is why San Fran Nan has been trying to avoid doing so, in spite of her back benchers' vociferous support for doing just that.

Wrong. The reason they haven't yet begun the inevitable, that is impeachment proceedings, is because Pelosi knows that the corrupt Republican Senate, like all of you, is in denial, and should the House impeach now, without fully informing the public, the senate will do all they can to deny the findings and not convict. Pelosi's position, though many in her party disagree, is to have public hearings with pertinent witnesses and evidence so that the American people are well informed on the matter, prior to filing for impeachment, making it very difficult then for the Senate to not convict. Impeachment is coming, no doubt about that, the debate is over how and when to do it. Pelosi is going to either make the republicans do right, or she will publicly expose their corrupt ways and destroy the republican party in the eyes of the American people.

[Cow Poke]

Wrong. The reason they haven't yet begun the inevitable, that is impeachment proceedings is because Pelosi knows that the corrupt Republican Senate, like all of you, is in denial, and should the House impeach now, without fully informing the public, the senate will do all they can to deny the findings and not convict. Pelosi's position, though many in her party disagree, is to have public hearings with pertinent witnesses and evidence so that the American people are well informed on the matter, prior to filing for impeachment, making it very difficult then for the Senate to not convict. Impeachment is coming, no doubt about that, the debate is over how and when to do it. Pelosi is going to either make the republicans do right, or she will destroy the republican party in the eyes of the American people.

So the Mueller report was a huge waste of time and money.

[JimL]

That is not true Jim, Trump didn't actually obstruct anything.

Says the blind man while walking into the wall.

[Cow Poke]

Says the blind man while walking into the wall.

If he can do that while typing and using proper grammar and spelling, he's pretty remarkable! Some of our posters can't do that with eyes wide open!

[Zymologist]

Wrong. The reason they haven't yet begun the inevitable, that is impeachment proceedings, is because Pelosi knows that the corrupt Republican Senate, like all of you, is in denial, and should the House impeach now, without fully informing the public, the senate will do all they can to deny the findings and not convict. Pelosi's position, though many in her party disagree, is to have public hearings with pertinent witnesses and evidence so that the American people are well informed on the matter, prior to filing for impeachment, making it very difficult then for the Senate to not convict. Impeachment is coming, no doubt about that, the debate is over how and when to do it. Pelosi is going to either make the republicans do right, or she will publicly expose their corrupt ways and destroy the republican party in the eyes of the American people.

Out of curiosity, what is it that they will inform the public of?

[Cow Poke]

Out of curiosity, what is it that they will inform the public of?

Don't you know? That Trump is the spawn of Satan and the embodiment of the Anti-Christ!

[JimL]

So the Mueller report was a huge waste of time and money.

That doesn't even make sense. The public hearings would be to better inform the American people as to exactly what the report says. Not all americans are like you CP, they have lives to lead with no time to read a 900 page report. The corrupt Republican Senate of course doesn't want to inform you, they want to mislead you which is why they sent out Atty Gen. Barr to mischaracterize the Mueller report. Well, Mueller just exposed that lie for what it was. But, the American people need to hear from the witnesses themselves just like in Watergate, which is what Trump and the Republicans are so afraid of. You know this too, but like them just can't admit to it. Just think about what you'd be saying if this were Obama instead of Trump. You Republicans would be outraged and would be screaming for impeachment. Actually you'd be screaming, "lock him up, lock him up."

[Bill the Cat]

That doesn't even make sense. The public hearings would be to better inform the American people as to exactly what the report says. Not all americans are like you CP, they have lives to lead with no time to read a 900 page report. The corrupt Republican Senate of course doesn't want to inform you, they want to mislead you which is why they sent out Atty Gen. Barr to mischaracterize the Mueller report. Well, Mueller just exposed that lie for what it was. But, the American people need to hear from the witnesses themselves just like in Watergate, which is what Trump and the Republicans are so afraid of. You know this too, but like them just can't admit to it. Just think about what you'd be saying if this were Obama instead of Trump. You Republicans would be outraged and would be screaming for impeachment. Actually you'd be screaming, "lock him up, lock him up."

You are such a delusional tool.