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Originally posted by Mountain Man View PostI suppose that's why Mueller said, "This report does not conclude that the President committed a crime."“I think God, in creating man, somewhat overestimated his ability.” ― Oscar Wilde
“And if there were a God, I think it very unlikely that He would have such an uneasy vanity as to be offended by those who doubt His existence” ― Bertrand Russell
“not all there” - you know who you are
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Anything he says after that is irrelevant. If a prosecutor says no crime was committed then as far as the law is concerned, he doesn't get to suggest that the defendant might be guilty anyway. Only thing that matters in the eyes of the law is what can be proven in court.Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
Than a fool in the eyes of God
From "Fools Gold" by Petra
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Originally posted by Mountain Man View PostAnything he says after that is irrelevant. If a prosecutor says no crime was committed then as far as the law is concerned, he doesn't get to suggest that the defendant might be guilty anyway. Only thing that matters in the eyes of the law is what can be proven in court.“I think God, in creating man, somewhat overestimated his ability.” ― Oscar Wilde
“And if there were a God, I think it very unlikely that He would have such an uneasy vanity as to be offended by those who doubt His existence” ― Bertrand Russell
“not all there” - you know who you are
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Originally posted by dirtfloor View PostBut that’s not what he said ... that no crime was committed .... was it?
-Special Counsel Robert MuellerSome may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
Than a fool in the eyes of God
From "Fools Gold" by Petra
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Originally posted by Mountain Man View PostAnything he says after that is irrelevant. If a prosecutor says no crime was committed then as far as the law is concerned, he doesn't get to suggest that the defendant might be guilty anyway. Only thing that matters in the eyes of the law is what can be proven in court.
A foundation of American jurisprudence is "innocent until proven guilty".
You go into the process "innocent".
If you are not proven guilty, what are you when you come out?
You are STILL "innocent".The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by Mountain Man View Post"This report does not conclude that the President committed a crime."
-Special Counsel Robert Mueller
So, to paraphrase Mueller; obstruction, obstruction, obstruction, but I have to leave the consequences to others.
It seems that we don’t know yet, what the obstruction was hiding, but Mueller has not delved into Trumps finances and we might discover later that he is compromised by dirty Russkie money, etc.“I think God, in creating man, somewhat overestimated his ability.” ― Oscar Wilde
“And if there were a God, I think it very unlikely that He would have such an uneasy vanity as to be offended by those who doubt His existence” ― Bertrand Russell
“not all there” - you know who you are
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Originally posted by Mountain Man View PostAnything he says after that is irrelevant. If a prosecutor says no crime was committed then as far as the law is concerned, he doesn't get to suggest that the defendant might be guilty anyway. Only thing that matters in the eyes of the law is what can be proven in court.“He felt that his whole life was a kind of dream and he sometimes wondered whose it was and whether they were enjoying it.” - Douglas Adams.
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Originally posted by dittfloor View PostYes, and he explained why; because he accepts the doctrine that a sitting President cannot be indicted.
Another neat trick that Mueller pulled is how he presented certain actions without context to imply that they were maybe almost but not quite examples of possible but not really obstruction. For instance, "He asked Sessions to unrecuse himself! That's sort-of obstruction!" Um... not really. It's the actions of an innocent man who wanted the investigators answerable to someone he trusted. Or "He wanted it made clear that he wasn't named as a target of the investigation and fired people when they drug their feet! That's sort-of obstruction!" Um... not really. It's the actions of an innocent man who wants to clear his name.
And so on. This is why the President didn't enforce executive privilege and suppress the report, because he wants everybody to see just how thin the supposed evidence against him really is.Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
Than a fool in the eyes of God
From "Fools Gold" by Petra
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Another example: Mueller included the following Tweets from Trump as evidence of possible obstruction:
"They made up a phony collusion with the Russians story, found zero proof, so now they go for obstruction of justice on the phony story. Nice"
"You are witnessing the single greatest WITCH HUNT in American political history - led by some very bad and conflicted people!"
What Mueller DIDN'T say is that those tweets were in response to a CNN story based on information that members of Mueller's own team had leaked!
https://theconservativetreehouse.com...ot-lying-here/
Anybody who still thinks Mueller was an honest investigator doggedly pursuing the truth is either naive or willfully believing a lie. Mueller and his media allies deliberately baited Trump in order to try and manufacture an obstruction case against an innocent man, but it's every bit as phony as the Russian Collusion Delusion.Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
Than a fool in the eyes of God
From "Fools Gold" by Petra
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Originally posted by Tassman View PostNo he said that the evidence (which is considerable) did not rise to the level of criminal conspiracy with regard to the Russians. What Mueller did not conclude was that Trump was exonerated of attempting to obstruct justice. Mueller DID provide several accounts that could be construed as attempted obstruction however.The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by Mountain Man View PostThat has nothing to do with it. He could have still plainly said that the President had committed a crime, if, indeed, that's what the evidence showed (it doesn't).
Another neat trick that Mueller pulled is how he presented certain actions without context to imply that they were maybe almost but not quite examples of possible but not really obstruction. For instance, "He asked Sessions to unrecuse himself! That's sort-of obstruction!" Um... not really. It's the actions of an innocent man who wanted the investigators answerable to someone he trusted. Or "He wanted it made clear that he wasn't named as a target of the investigation and fired people when they drug their feet! That's sort-of obstruction!" Um... not really. It's the actions of an innocent man who wants to clear his name.
And so on. This is why the President didn't enforce executive privilege and suppress the report, because he wants everybody to see just how thin the supposed evidence against him really is.Last edited by JimL; 04-20-2019, 09:59 AM.
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Originally posted by Cow Poke View PostBut no collusion, and that's what you idiots have been going on and on about for 2 years!
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As Mark Levin astutely predicted two-years ago, it was never about building a criminal case against Trump. Mueller's motives were purely political.
https://www.breitbart.com/the-media/...-no-collusion/Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
Than a fool in the eyes of God
From "Fools Gold" by Petra
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Originally posted by JimL View PostThe Trump tower meeting was collusion, or are you to stupid to recognize that. Manafort sharing polling data as well as geographic targeting details with a russian operative is collusion/conspiracy. Got to look at the facts there, CP!"The man from the yacht thought he was the first to find England; I thought I was the first to find Europe. I did try to found a heresy of my own; and when I had put the last touches to it, I discovered that it was orthodoxy."
GK Chesterton; Orthodoxy
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