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  • #91
    Originally posted by Charles View Post
    Another relativism statement. You are providing quite a lot of evidence for the idea that you simply cannot support your statements without personal attacks on the messenger or claiming others were equally good/bad (or whatever it is in your lack of absolute standards).

    Should I start counting the number of relativism post from you, or?
    You're an obvious fraud.


    I'm always still in trouble again

    "You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
    "Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
    "Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman

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    • #92
      Originally posted by rogue06 View Post
      You're an obvious fraud.

      [ATTACH=CONFIG]36476[/ATTACH]
      I guessed this would show up. So another post in which you do not adress the point but rely on personal attacks to prove your case. If this is your way to show you do not rely on personal attacks I guess you could find better ways.
      "Yes. President Trump is a huge embarrassment. And it’s an embarrassment to evangelical Christianity that there appear to be so many who will celebrate precisely the aspects that I see Biblically as most lamentable and embarrassing." Southern Baptist leader Albert Mohler Jr.

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      • #93
        Originally posted by Charles View Post
        The truth is it is questionable whether he would actually be president if it was not for the Russians.
        Their effect was negligible.

        They spent less than what a restaurant chain does in running commercials in a large city -- with the lion's share coming after the election.

        In fact I think it was Bryon York who did some quick analysis and discovered that these guys spent all of a whopping $3200 in all of the battleground states. Not per state but total. That's equivalent to something like 1 maybe 2 late night commercials on a local station.

        In battleground states, according to Senate Intelligence Committee chairman Richard Burr, they spent a whopping $1979 on ads targeting Wisconsin. In Michigan the total spent was $823. And in Pennsylvania, it was $300.

        And for just a bit more context, when Colin Stretch, Facebook's general counsel, testified before the Senate about Russian interference in the election he said that they constituted "about four-thousands of one percent (0.004%) of content in News Feed, or approximately 1 out of 23,000 pieces of content."

        Further, again according to Facebook, most of the time they showed up in a person's news feed was after the election (with only 44% before the election and 56% after it) and 25% of them were seen by nobody at all.

        What's more, concerning these ads Facebook reported that, "the vast majority [of them] didn't specifically reference the U.S. presidential election, voting or a particular candidate."

        For some perspective, back during the 2004 race then Newsweek editor Evan Thomas nonchalantly admitted on the now defunct Inside Washington show on PBS that media support was worth up to 15 points to John Kerry in his bid to be president ("Let’s talk about media bias here. The media, I think, want Kerry to win. They’re going to portray Kerry and Edwards as being young and dynamic and optimistic, and this glow is going to be worth maybe 15 points.")

        According to the report the Russians knew they couldn't influence the election. What they hoped for was to stir up trouble for Hillary during her presidency. What they got was far beyond their wildest dreams what with the Democrats being the ones causing far more trouble than they could have ever hoped for.

        I'm always still in trouble again

        "You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
        "Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
        "Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman

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        • #94
          Originally posted by Charles View Post
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          Your whining would have merit if just once you also complained about the same sort of stuff you claim gets your knickers in a bunch when they do it.

          But. You. Never. Do.

          Self-righteous Fraud.
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          I'm always still in trouble again

          "You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
          "Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
          "Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman

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          • #95
            Originally posted by rogue06 View Post
            Their effect was negligible.
            I doubt it very much. As James Clapper stated:

            “As a private citizen, it’s what I would call my informed opinion that, given the massive effort the Russians made, and the number of citizens that they touched, and the variety and multi-dimensional aspects of what they did to influence opinion … and given the fact that it turned on less than 80,000 votes in three states, to me it exceeds logic and credulity that they didn’t affect the election. And it’s my belief they actually turned it.” https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs...=.f8d1c9f56bbf

            And regarding the content of the report:

            The report makes clear that the Trump campaign “showed interest” in Democratic party emails hacked by Moscow and welcomed their potential to damage Hillary Clinton, Trump’s opponent. https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...ion-of-justice
            "Yes. President Trump is a huge embarrassment. And it’s an embarrassment to evangelical Christianity that there appear to be so many who will celebrate precisely the aspects that I see Biblically as most lamentable and embarrassing." Southern Baptist leader Albert Mohler Jr.

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            • #96
              Originally posted by rogue06 View Post
              Your whining would have merit if just once you also complained about the same sort of stuff you claim gets your knickers in a bunch when they do it.

              But. You. Never. Do.

              Self-righteous Fraud.
              So you try to support personal attacks by adding more of them... I suggest you get back on topic.
              "Yes. President Trump is a huge embarrassment. And it’s an embarrassment to evangelical Christianity that there appear to be so many who will celebrate precisely the aspects that I see Biblically as most lamentable and embarrassing." Southern Baptist leader Albert Mohler Jr.

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              • #97
                Originally posted by Charles View Post
                I doubt it very much. As James Clapper stated:

                And regarding the content of the report:
                Clapper

                Here's something more for you to chew on.

                On the day after Mueller released the 13 Russians back in February (the indictment that blew up in his face when they showed up and he started giving a list of excuses why he didn't want to prosecute them) Facebook ads vice-president Rob Goldman issued several tweets that was studiously ignored by most of the MSM since it contradicted the account they wanted to push.


                Did you get that?

                Most of the coverage of Russian meddling involves their attempt to effect the outcome of the 2016 US election. I have seen all of the Russian ads and I can say very definitively that swaying the election was *NOT* the main goal.



                The majority of the Russian ad spend happened AFTER the election. We shared that fact, but very few outlets have covered it because it doesn’t align with the main media narrative of Tump [sic] and the election.


                The main goal of the Russian propaganda and misinformation effort is to divide America by using our institutions, like free speech and social media, against us. It has stoked fear and hatred amongst Americans. It is working incredibly well. We are quite divided as a nation.


                He later got in trouble with his bosses for, as the New York Times (which covered that part), his "unusually candid statement that flouted Facebook’s well-sculpted messaging strategy, which has generally been to stay as far away from partisan debates as possible"[1] -- but not before a couple other Facebook executives, including Andrew Bosworth ("VP AR/VR at Facebook. VP of Ads before that. Co-Invented News Feed, Messenger, Groups, and more" and who has been called one of CEO Mark Zuckerberg’s most trusted lieutenants), praised Goldman for what he did, tweeting it was an "Important thread here."

                Now for the pièce de résistance

                Rod Rosenstein, no friend of Trump's by any measure, has said just the opposite -- they were ineffective. To be more precise he said that there is absolutely no evidence that a single vote was changed nor was the election outcome affected by their attempted meddling.

                Moreover, FBI director Christopher Wray declared at a conference held at the Aspen Institute for Humanistic Studies (a think tank that US News & World Report ranks as centrist) that

                "[The Russians] do not tamper in our infrastructure. They try to destabilize the integrity of our system by usually backing losers and getting the losers all upset claiming something went awry, and that promotes disharmony and distrust of the election system."


                And the left is doing far more than what they thought possible in their wildest dreams.

                Sorry Faker Chuck but you're wrong yet again.










                1. Facebook has a pretty well documented history of leaning left including targeting conservatives for scrutiny and censorship (Former Facebook Workers: We Routinely Suppressed Conservative News) -- even going so far as to censor the Declaration of Independence. And who can forget how Facebook representatives told Obama’s 2012 campaign that they had been allowed to use the platform in ways that would have otherwise been prohibited, because Facebook was "on our side" and then grumbled about Cambridge Analytica doing the same thing because it helped Trump.

                I'm always still in trouble again

                "You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
                "Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
                "Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman

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                • #98
                  Originally posted by Charles View Post
                  So you try to support personal attacks by adding more of them... I suggest you get back on topic.
                  Sucks to have the spotlight shining on your blatant hypocrisy, doesn't it Faker Chuck? Much better if you could stay in the shadows self-righteously accusing others of what you do.
                  Last edited by rogue06; 04-19-2019, 10:35 AM.

                  I'm always still in trouble again

                  "You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
                  "Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
                  "Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman

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                  • #99
                    Turley's take.
                    Geislerminian Antinomian Kenotic Charispneumaticostal Gender Mutualist-Egalitarian.

                    Beige Federalist.

                    Nationalist Christian.

                    "Everybody is somebody's heretic."

                    Social Justice is usually the opposite of actual justice.

                    Proud member of the this space left blank community.

                    Would-be Grand Vizier of the Padishah Maxi-Super-Ultra-Hyper-Mega-MAGA King Trumpius Rex.

                    Justice for Ashli Babbitt!

                    Justice for Matthew Perna!

                    Arrest Ray Epps and his Fed bosses!

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                    • Originally posted by NorrinRadd View Post
                      Your jibe indicates you are under the mistaken impression that "reverends" claim to be super-Christians.
                      Myself, I think it’s grand that the Democrats are reaping what they sewed.
                      "The man from the yacht thought he was the first to find England; I thought I was the first to find Europe. I did try to found a heresy of my own; and when I had put the last touches to it, I discovered that it was orthodoxy."
                      GK Chesterton; Orthodoxy

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                      • Originally posted by JimL View Post
                        Birdbrain, read the report!
                        Originally posted by JimL View Post
                        Which of course is a great big lie, which you would know if you actually read the report.
                        Originally posted by JimL View Post
                        Again dummie, read the actual report and stop acting the fool.
                        Can you truthfully say you've read the report, Jim?

                        Just wondering.
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                        • Originally posted by Chuckles View Post
                          Coming to a conclusion in an investigation is not comming up empty handed. But perpaps you like to maintain a black and white idea about what the report reveals and the reason the investigation started in order to avoid the details not speaking in favour of Trump and his administration.
                          Once again, Mueller said in no uncertain terms that the President was not guilty of any crimes. Therefore, Trump's every action must necessarily be interpreted as those of an innocent man. So let's look at some of the things detailed in Mueller's report and put them in their correct perspective:
                          "The [innocent man] had been assured that the FBI had not opened an investigation of him personally. The [innocent man] deemed it critically important to make public that he was not under investigation, and he included that information in his termination letter to Comey after other efforts to have that information disclosed were unsuccessful.

                          "Soon after he fired Comey, however, the [innocent man] became aware that investigators were conducting an obstruction-of-justice inquiry into his own conduct. [...] The [innocent man] launched public attacks on the investigation and individuals involved in it who could possess evidence adverse to the [innocent man], while in private, the [innocent man] engaged in a series of targeted efforts to control the investigation. For instance, the [innocent man] attempted to to remove the Special Counsel; [the innocent man] sought to have Attorney General Sessions unrecuse himself and limit the investigation [...] [the innocent man] used public forums to attack potential witnesses..."

                          And so on, but I think you get the picture.

                          As Sundance astutely predicted before the report was even released:

                          Source: The Last Refuge

                          The report will outline how many times terrible Trump lashed out over the past two years to his closest advisers about the damn “witchhunt”. It will outline every time he asked someone if he could do something to stop it… It will outline everything about how Trump wanted that damned ridiculous investigation to be done with… etc. etc. etc.

                          However, in releasing so much granular activity the one thing the Mueller team and the media will forget is…. that’s exactly the behavior of a transparently innocent man.

                          https://theconservativetreehouse.com...ng-to-be-epic/

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                          Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
                          But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
                          Than a fool in the eyes of God


                          From "Fools Gold" by Petra

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                          • As for Mueller grumbling that the Presient's written response to his question was inadequate or insufficient or whatever, I wonder why Mueller didn't subpoena the President, or otherwise compel him to answer more questions, or even sit for a face-to-face interview?

                            Oh, maybe it's because even after two-years of scrutinizing the President far beyond what just about anyone could bear, Mueller still had zero leverage over Trump.
                            Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
                            But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
                            Than a fool in the eyes of God


                            From "Fools Gold" by Petra

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                            • Originally posted by rogue06 View Post
                              Their effect was negligible.

                              They spent less than what a restaurant chain does in running commercials in a large city -- with the lion's share coming after the election.
                              According to the Mueller report:

                              Dozens of IRA employees were responsible for operating accounts and personas on different U.S. social media platforms. The IRA referred to employees assigned to operate the social media accounts as "specialists". Starting as early as 2014, the IRA's U.S. operations included social media specialists focusing on Facebook, YouTube and Twitter. The IRA later added specialists who operated on Tumblr and Instagram accounts
                              Originally posted by rogue06 View Post
                              In fact I think it was Bryon York who did some quick analysis and discovered that these guys spent all of a whopping $3200 in all of the battleground states. Not per state but total. That's equivalent to something like 1 maybe 2 late night commercials on a local station.

                              In battleground states, according to Senate Intelligence Committee chairman Richard Burr, they spent a whopping $1979 on ads targeting Wisconsin. In Michigan the total spent was $823. And in Pennsylvania, it was $300.

                              And for just a bit more context, when Colin Stretch, Facebook's general counsel, testified before the Senate about Russian interference in the election he said that they constituted "about four-thousands of one percent (0.004%) of content in News Feed, or approximately 1 out of 23,000 pieces of content."

                              Further, again according to Facebook, most of the time they showed up in a person's news feed was after the election (with only 44% before the election and 56% after it) and 25% of them were seen by nobody at all.

                              What's more, concerning these ads Facebook reported that, "the vast majority [of them] didn't specifically reference the U.S. presidential election, voting or a particular candidate."
                              You don't provide many sources for the statements you make. Let's look again at the Mueller report:

                              As early as March 2016, the IRA purchased advertisements that overtly opposed the Clinton Campaign. For example, on March 18, 2016, the IRA purchased an advertisement depicting candidate Clinton a caption that read in part, "if one day God les this liar enter the White House as president - that would be a real national tragedy.
                              Originally posted by rogue06 View Post
                              According to the report the Russians knew they couldn't influence the election. What they hoped for was to stir up trouble for Hillary during her presidency. What they got was far beyond their wildest dreams what with the Democrats being the ones causing far more trouble than they could have ever hoped for.
                              Again let's just look at what the report says:

                              According to Facebook, in total the IRA-controlled accounts made over 80,000 posts before their deactivation in August 2017, and these posts reached at least 29 million U.S persons and 'may have reached an estimated 126 million people.'
                              And this is only focusing on social media platform. They did far more than that.
                              "Yes. President Trump is a huge embarrassment. And it’s an embarrassment to evangelical Christianity that there appear to be so many who will celebrate precisely the aspects that I see Biblically as most lamentable and embarrassing." Southern Baptist leader Albert Mohler Jr.

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                              • Originally posted by Mountain Man View Post
                                Once again, Mueller said in no uncertain terms that the President was not guilty of any crimes.
                                That is actually not exactly what he said. Here is what he actually did say: "If we had confidence after a thorough investigation of the facts that the President clearly did not commit obstruction of justice, we would so state,”.

                                The report is quite clear on this: "Accordingly, while this report does not conclude that the President committed a crime, it also does not exonerate him."
                                Last edited by Charles; 04-19-2019, 08:13 AM.
                                "Yes. President Trump is a huge embarrassment. And it’s an embarrassment to evangelical Christianity that there appear to be so many who will celebrate precisely the aspects that I see Biblically as most lamentable and embarrassing." Southern Baptist leader Albert Mohler Jr.

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