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    So has anyone here actually read the report yet? I haven't had time to more than flip through it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sparko View Post
    So has anyone here actually read the report yet? I haven't had time to more than flip through it.
    Not yet. Which is why I'm not posting on it yet.

    I could comment on the press conference (saw all but the first couple of minutes) and some of the press coverage immediately afterwards

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    Quote Originally Posted by oxmixmuddle View Post
    Yeah - right! In a pigs eye!

    So the bottom line appears to be this:

    "The President's efforts to influence the investigation were mostly unsuccessful, but that is largely because the persons who surrounded the President declined to carry out orders or accede to his requests," the report said."

    https://www.cnn.com/politics/live-ne...lic/index.html
    I bet CNN didn't point this out, but it's significant that Mueller chose the term "influence" rather than the criminal term "obstruct". Mueller also notes that "acting corruptly" -- that is "an act done with an intent to give some advantage inconsistent with official duty and the rights of others" -- is necessary for for an obstruction charge to stick, and that "the evidence we obtained would not support potential obstruction charges".

    You need to find a more reputable news source.

    Anyway, Sundance called this one early this morning:

    Source: The Last Refuge

    The report will outline how many times terrible Trump lashed out over the past two years to his closest advisers about the damn “witchhunt”. It will outline every time he asked someone if he could do something to stop it… It will outline everything about how Trump wanted that damned ridiculous investigation to be done with… etc. etc. etc.

    However, in releasing so much granular activity the one thing the Mueller team and the media will forget is…. that’s exactly the behavior of a transparently innocent man.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mountain Man View Post
    Oh, really?

    Attorney General William Barr: "[T]he White House fully cooperated with the Special Counsel’s investigation, providing unfettered access to campaign and White House documents, directing senior aides to testify freely, and asserting no privilege claims. And at the same time, the President took no act that in fact deprived the Special Counsel of the documents and witnesses necessary to complete his investigation. [...] [T]he President confirmed that, in the interests of transparency and full disclosure to the American people, he would not assert privilege over the Special Counsel’s report."

    You mean like that?
    The evidence in the report is directly contradictory of that assessment, in that time after time Trump ordered staff to interfere with the investigation and they refused. So while the white house staff may have done the right thing, Donald Trump most certainly did not. And as it turns out, it would appear the only reason Trump did not get accused of obstruction was because his staff kept him from doing it by refusing his orders.

    This does not translate into an 'exoneration' of the President. To the contrary, it shows that President trump thinks nothing of breaking the law, which is exactly why investigations into him will continue probably throughout his presidency.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mountain Man View Post
    I bet CNN didn't point this out, but it's significant that Mueller chose the term "influence" rather than the criminal term "obstruct". Mueller also notes that "acting corruptly" -- that is "an act done with an intent to give some advantage inconsistent with official duty and the rights of others" -- is necessary for for an obstruction charge to stick, and that "the evidence we obtained would not support potential obstruction charges".

    You need to find a more reputable news source.

    Anyway, Sundance called this one early this morning:

    Source: The Last Refuge

    The report will outline how many times terrible Trump lashed out over the past two years to his closest advisers about the damn “witchhunt”. It will outline every time he asked someone if he could do something to stop it… It will outline everything about how Trump wanted that damned ridiculous investigation to be done with… etc. etc. etc.

    However, in releasing so much granular activity the one thing the Mueller team and the media will forget is…. that’s exactly the behavior of a transparently innocent man.

    https://theconservativetreehouse.com...ng-to-be-epic/

    © Copyright Original Source

    More and more I am convinced you live in a fantasy world MM.

    Jim
    He will reply, ‘Truly I tell you, whatever you did not do for one of the least of these, you did not do for me."

    "So in everything, do to others what you would have them do to you, for this sums up the Law and the Prophets"

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    Quote Originally Posted by rogue06 View Post
    Not yet. Which is why I'm not posting on it yet.

    I could comment on the press conference (saw all but the first couple of minutes) and some of the press coverage immediately afterwards
    I'll be interested in what you have to say rogue when you get there.


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    As to Barr's 'impartiality' and commitment to be 'apolitical':

    From Senate Intel committe Mark Warner

    "“Even a preliminary review of the material makes it clear that the attorney general fundamentally mischaracterized the special counsel’s findings in his pre-emptive press conference this morning. In the days to come, it is essential that Congress hear directly from the special counsel regarding his investigation. The Senate Intelligence Committee continues its own investigation, and I expect to receive a full briefing, an unredacted report, and all the materials underlying the special counsel’s findings.”


    Jim
    He will reply, ‘Truly I tell you, whatever you did not do for one of the least of these, you did not do for me."

    "So in everything, do to others what you would have them do to you, for this sums up the Law and the Prophets"

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    Quote Originally Posted by oxmixmuddle View Post
    More and more I am convinced you live in a fantasy world MM.
    That was an impotent rejoinder, even from you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by oxmixmudd View Post
    As to Barr's 'impartiality' and commitment to be 'apolitical':

    From Senate Intel committe Mark Warner

    "“Even a preliminary review of the material makes it clear that the attorney general fundamentally mischaracterized the special counsel’s findings in his pre-emptive press conference this morning. In the days to come, it is essential that Congress hear directly from the special counsel regarding his investigation. The Senate Intelligence Committee continues its own investigation, and I expect to receive a full briefing, an unredacted report, and all the materials underlying the special counsel’s findings.”


    Jim
    We all know we can trust a politician from the opposing political party to be impartial and apolitical in his comments on whether someone is impartial and apolitical, right?

    Just sayin'.
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    Quote Originally Posted by oxmixmuddle View Post
    The evidence in the report is directly contradictory of that assessment, in that time after time Trump ordered staff to interfere with the investigation and they refused. So while the white house staff may have done the right thing, Donald Trump most certainly did not. And as it turns out, it would appear the only reason Trump did not get accused of obstruction was because his staff kept him from doing it by refusing his orders.
    That, of course, is the interpretation being fed to you by the liberal media. Mueller himself says in the report that "In this investigation, the evidence does not establish that the President was involved in an underlying crime related to Russian election interference," so every action taken by Trump with regards to the investigation must necessarily be seen as the actions of an innocent man.
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