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Originally posted by firstfloor View PostWe should all agree to a worldwide moratorium on god worshiping. I’ll start. Join in when ready, and together we will put an end to religious violence.
Maybe that is where we should start.
1. post-Mao leaders acknowledged that 100 million people, one-ninth of the entire population, suffered in one way or another.
I'm always still in trouble again
"You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
"Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
"Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman
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Originally posted by rogue06 View PostSecular leftism brought us Stalin's purges (1.45 to 2 million killed) and Holodomor (a.k.a., Terror Famine with 3.3 to 7.5 million killed), Mao's Great Leap Forward (18 to 56 million killed) and Cultural Revolution (1.5 to 3 million killed[1]), Pol Pot's Killing Fields (2 to 2.5 million killed) and North Korean concentration camps (1 to 1.5 million killed) and terror starvation campaign from 1993 to 2008 (up to 1 million killed).
Maybe that is where we should start.
1. post-Mao leaders acknowledged that 100 million people, one-ninth of the entire population, suffered in one way or another.“I think God, in creating man, somewhat overestimated his ability.” ― Oscar Wilde
“And if there were a God, I think it very unlikely that He would have such an uneasy vanity as to be offended by those who doubt His existence” ― Bertrand Russell
“not all there” - you know who you are
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Originally posted by firstfloor View PostYou seem to be confusing ‘left’ with ‘authoritarian’. Secularism is not on the political compass (Nolan Chart).
In any case secular leftism exists and as we can see has resulted in many tens of millions of lives being snuffed out to further secular left wing dreams and policies.Last edited by rogue06; 04-23-2019, 01:00 PM.
I'm always still in trouble again
"You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
"Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
"Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman
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Originally posted by firstfloor View PostWe should all agree to a worldwide moratorium on god worshiping. I’ll start. Join in when ready, and together we will put an end to religious violence.
To truly fix the problem you must first recognize its source.
Most philosophies based in atheism come up short in that regard.
JimMy brethren, do not hold your faith in our glorious Lord Jesus Christ with an attitude of personal favoritism. James 2:1
If anyone thinks himself to be religious, and yet does not bridle his tongue but deceives his own heart, this man’s religion is worthless James 1:26
This you know, my beloved brethren. But everyone must be quick to hear, slow to speak and slow to anger; James 1:19
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Originally posted by Mountain Man View PostCompare how this story is being covered by the media to the mosque attacks in New Zealand.
They have covered the shock and horror of this attack on a holy day, of the christian worshippers and children just trying to worship in peace whose lives were snuffed out unfairly by these terrorists.
What more exactly are you looking for?
JimMy brethren, do not hold your faith in our glorious Lord Jesus Christ with an attitude of personal favoritism. James 2:1
If anyone thinks himself to be religious, and yet does not bridle his tongue but deceives his own heart, this man’s religion is worthless James 1:26
This you know, my beloved brethren. But everyone must be quick to hear, slow to speak and slow to anger; James 1:19
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Originally posted by oxmixmudd View PostThe issue is not religion, but the base nature of mankind. Since most religions are attempts to quell or redirect those primal urges, you are focused in the wrong direction.
To truly fix the problem you must first recognize its source.
Most philosophies based in atheism come up short in that regard.
Jim“I think God, in creating man, somewhat overestimated his ability.” ― Oscar Wilde
“And if there were a God, I think it very unlikely that He would have such an uneasy vanity as to be offended by those who doubt His existence” ― Bertrand Russell
“not all there” - you know who you are
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Originally posted by firstfloor View PostWe need instead to recognize each other’s equality regardless of ethnicity, religion and so on.Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s
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Originally posted by seer View PostHow do you get equality without God? People are not by nature equal in any real sense.Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
Than a fool in the eyes of God
From "Fools Gold" by Petra
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Originally posted by oxmixmudd View PostThis line of thought is just weird. Its been front page, lead story since sunday. They sre reporting the prime suspect caught on video is ISIS.
They have covered the shock and horror of this attack on a holy day, of the christian worshippers and children just trying to worship in peace whose lives were snuffed out unfairly by these terrorists.
What more exactly are you looking for?
Jim
And for Roy...
And look at post #43.
Nothing even remotely like it from Hillary or others on the left, but rather pap about "Easter worshippers" and a glaringly obvious lack of a specific condemnation of "Muslim terrorists." Just a bland generic statement against violence in general.
I'm always still in trouble again
"You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
"Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
"Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman
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Originally posted by firstfloor View PostReligions, some of them, give people a sense of superiority. Supremacist thinking is what makes one despise the others.
Ideas like the idea of salvation are a curse. We need instead to recognize each other’s equality regardless of ethnicity, religion and so on.
The Bible tells that evil (sin) in mankind becomes its most evil self when it takes that which is good and uses it for evil. That is what you see - the evil that lies latent in all of us taking that which should be good, and which should result in better humanity, and using it for it's own purpose.
That is why the Christian faith recognizes the need for each individual to find a personal transformation in Christ, and to DIE to the old ways, the ways of that basic nature that would use good for evil to feed itself. And only some succeed. Many wear the teachings of Christ like clothing, swapping out bits and pieces for convenience. But that - again - is the human selfish, base nature that the religion - in this case Christianity - aims to change and make better.
Christ teaches that to love our neighbor* as our self and to serve the lord with all ones heart and soul summarized the entire Bible. That if one does those two things in purity and innocence, one will not live outside any goodness, any Godliness. But none of us can actually do that. We are always in one way or another seeking what we want over what is best for others and ourselves. And that is where evil finds its root. And that is why we need the transforming power of love of Christ himself - to make it possible for us to be transformed from that person that is a slave to desire and pride and other evils to change and become better.
But without the teachings that counter that base nature, the world would be a much worse place. Without those striving to be what Christ actually taught us to be, you could not even imagine how much worse off we would all be.
Jim
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*and He defines neighbor as anyone, even the most despised outcast (see the parable of the Samaritan)Last edited by oxmixmudd; 04-23-2019, 04:06 PM.My brethren, do not hold your faith in our glorious Lord Jesus Christ with an attitude of personal favoritism. James 2:1
If anyone thinks himself to be religious, and yet does not bridle his tongue but deceives his own heart, this man’s religion is worthless James 1:26
This you know, my beloved brethren. But everyone must be quick to hear, slow to speak and slow to anger; James 1:19
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Originally posted by rogue06 View PostIt seems to be far less covered than the New Zealand attack, but maybe that's the "man bites dog" aspect since Islamists slaughtering hundreds to thousands in an attack seems to be anything but extraordinary
And for Roy...
And look at post #43.
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Nothing even remotely like it from Hillary or others on the left, but rather pap about "Easter worshippers" and a glaringly obvious lack of a specific condemnation of "Muslim terrorists." Just a bland generic statement against violence in general.
But as far as the news coverage itself, I don't really see it being any 'less' than what was seen from new zealand. I did notice that today for some reason Fox did not make this its lead story, whereas CNN did.
JimMy brethren, do not hold your faith in our glorious Lord Jesus Christ with an attitude of personal favoritism. James 2:1
If anyone thinks himself to be religious, and yet does not bridle his tongue but deceives his own heart, this man’s religion is worthless James 1:26
This you know, my beloved brethren. But everyone must be quick to hear, slow to speak and slow to anger; James 1:19
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Originally posted by oxmixmudd View PostI agree with you on the assessment of 'easter worhippers' vs Christians worhipping on Easter.
But as far as the news coverage itself, I don't really see it being any 'less' than what was seen from new zealand. I did notice that today for some reason Fox did not make this its lead story, whereas CNN did.
JimSome may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
Than a fool in the eyes of God
From "Fools Gold" by Petra
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I was sorry to see the gloomy picture which you drew of the affairs of your Country in your letter of December; but I hope events have not turned out so badly as you then apprehended. Of all the animosities which have existed among mankind, those which are caused by a difference of sentiments in religion appear to be the most inveterate and distressing, and ought most to be deprecated. I was in hopes, that the enlightened and liberal policy, which has marked the present age, would at least have reconciled Christians of every denomination so far, that we should never again see their religious disputes carried to such a pitch as to endanger the peace of Society.
Progress is slow!“I think God, in creating man, somewhat overestimated his ability.” ― Oscar Wilde
“And if there were a God, I think it very unlikely that He would have such an uneasy vanity as to be offended by those who doubt His existence” ― Bertrand Russell
“not all there” - you know who you are
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