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Thread: Is suicide a sin if the person is not mentally competent to be responsible?

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    Quote Originally Posted by shunyadragon View Post
    . . . and mental illness.
    As I stated here....

    Quote Originally Posted by Cow Poke View Post
    I would agree, EXCEPT where it was actually mental illness, and the person had no such intent (like you already referenced).
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    Somebody mentioned Samson. I'm not sure that's really a strong example of suicide because he was sacrificing his life for a greater purpose - which Jesus said is the greatest form of love.
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    Quote Originally Posted by KingsGambit View Post
    Somebody mentioned Samson. I'm not sure that's really a strong example of suicide because he was sacrificing his life for a greater purpose - which Jesus said is the greatest form of love.
    Actually, I noted my mild surprise that nobody had mentioned him:

    Quote Originally Posted by Cow Poke View Post
    And I'm kinda surprised nobody brought up Samson.

    He usually gets dragged into these discussions, and I agree it's not a strong example -- any more than a soldier throwing himself on a grenade to save the lives of his buddies.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Cow Poke View Post

    ETA: Can you PLEASE make your avatar stop spinning!!!!
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    It doesn't show up as spinning on my computer but I removed it anyway.
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    Quote Originally Posted by KingsGambit View Post
    It doesn't show up as spinning on my computer but I removed it anyway.
    I think he was joking.

    I'm always still in trouble again

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    Quote Originally Posted by KingsGambit View Post
    It doesn't show up as spinning on my computer but I removed it anyway.
    I was kidding. But it looked like it SHOULD be spinning, and I used to live much closer to the coast, so.....
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    There can be times when the pain someone is in is such physical torture that death would be a relief.

    A few years ago I had a hernia in my groin. The docs couldn't do anything because I had another condition that precluded me having the hernia operation. The pain meds they gave me hardly worked at all. Sometimes I would be ok, but at night, at times it would feel like someone was dragging a spike through my intestines. I actually prayed for God to please take me just to relieve the pain. I thought about suicide, but I knew the pain was temporary and eventually they could do the operation (they did)

    So I can see how someone could wish for death or even take their own life if they are in such pain that death would be a relief.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sparko View Post
    There can be times when the pain someone is in is such physical torture that death would be a relief.

    A few years ago I had a hernia in my groin. The docs couldn't do anything because I had another condition that precluded me having the hernia operation. The pain meds they gave me hardly worked at all. Sometimes I would be ok, but at night, at times it would feel like someone was dragging a spike through my intestines. I actually prayed for God to please take me just to relieve the pain. I thought about suicide, but I knew the pain was temporary and eventually they could do the operation (they did)

    So I can see how someone could wish for death or even take their own life if they are in such pain that death would be a relief.
    By far the overwhelming number of suicides do not involve physical pain. They involve mental illness. Yes, some suicides involve overwhelming pain. and are suicide by most often pain killing drugs.
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    I hate even entertaining questions about suicide in general because so many times people who are asking... are asking about themselves (or who are going out of their way to read about the subject). I don't want to do anything even inadvertently that convinces them that it'll be okay to go ahead and do it.
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