Something is only a sin if the person knowingly does wrong. If someone is so mentally far gone that they genuinely don't realize that it's wrong to kill yourself, or they have no sense of what they're doing, then I don't think God would hold that against them.
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Is suicide a sin if the person is not mentally competent to be responsible?
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Last edited by Mountain Man; 04-26-2019, 01:27 PM.Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
Than a fool in the eyes of God
From "Fools Gold" by Petra
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Originally posted by JimLamebrain View PostPeople that commit suicide are usually miserable or suffering from one thing or another and would rather not be in such a situation in which they would even consider such a solution as killing themselves. Calling it a sin as if they are doing something that they desire for themselves in disobedience of a Deity is wrong. It's not something that they actually desire for themselves. The sin is whatever it was that brought them to that point in the first place whether it be due to themselves, {the circumstances of their lives, to nature, or to god.} Ultimately, whether it is a sin or not a sin in the sense of it being a good or a bad thing, no one can say, because it's personal, and no one will ever know, even the victim themselves will never know, if it was in the their best interests or not to end their lives at that point. How can putting an end to suffering be called a sin? It could just as soon be called merciful.Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
Than a fool in the eyes of God
From "Fools Gold" by Petra
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Originally posted by Mountain Man View PostMy dad once described suicide as the ultimate act of selfishness, because it's a final and irreversible act that shows a complete disregard for how it might affect anybody else.The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by shunyadragon View PostI very much disagree with your conclusions. Your neglecting the issue of mental illness. Suicide cannot be generalized as a sin, nor a merciful conclusion in most cases.Last edited by JimL; 04-26-2019, 07:12 PM.
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Originally posted by Mountain Man View PostMy dad once described suicide as the ultimate act of selfishness,
because it's a final and irreversible act that shows a complete disregard for how it might affect anybody else.
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Originally posted by JimL View PostThat's about the silliest thig I ever heard. Telling the person that is suffering that they a selfish because they choose to no longer suffer.
2) Not all suicides are because of unbearable pain. There are actually suicides committed out of spite, defiance, hatred, drama...
sourceThe first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by JimLamebrain View PostThat's about the silliest thig I ever heard. Telling the person that is suffering that they a selfish because they choose to no longer suffer.
When you are suffering bad enough to want to end it all, then you can talk about how much you take others into consideration.Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
Than a fool in the eyes of God
From "Fools Gold" by Petra
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Originally posted by Cow Poke View PostA) He never said anything about telling the person who is suffering anything at all. Many times, we don't know anything about this until they're already dead.
2) Not all suicides are because of unbearable pain. There are actually suicides committed out of spite, defiance, hatred, drama...
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Originally posted by Mountain Man View PostRight, and where's his concern for the family and friends who will have to spend the rest of their life dealing with the heartache of knowing that someone they loved killed himself? It's one of the most purely selfish acts imaginable.
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Originally posted by JimLamebrain View PostWhen you are in suffering severely enough to want to take your own life, then tell us how much the feelings of others concern you.Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
Than a fool in the eyes of God
From "Fools Gold" by Petra
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Originally posted by JimL View PostHe's telling them now, while their alive, that alleviating their own suffering is selfish because they aren't taking others feelings into consideration.
Some perhaps, but not most, and even those are a call for help. No sane person is going to kill themselves simply out of spite or hatred etc. People don't want to die. There is obviously a lot more going on there than meets the eye in such cases.The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by Tassman View PostSuch suicides are accidental. The intention is to manipulate, not to actually die.The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by Cow Poke View PostA) He never said anything about telling the person who is suffering anything at all. Many times, we don't know anything about this until they're already dead.
2) Not all suicides are because of unbearable pain. There are actually suicides committed out of spite, defiance, hatred, drama...
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Originally posted by JimL View PostMental illness is is no different than physical illness, the suffering can be just as bad. Again, people don't commit suicide because they want to die, they commit suicide because they are in pain and come to see suicide as a last resort. At any rate, no one can say that it is wrong, or that it is a sin, because no one else is in the shoes if the victim. Some times people just want to end their suffering, but more often than not, suicide, or attempted suicide, is a call for help from those who know of no other way to get help. But why on earth would anyone believe that ones final solution to their suffering to be a sin? They are not fulfilling a desire, they don't want to die, they are just trying to put an end to their suffering in the only way they believe they can.
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