IG's FISA Probe May Hamper Dems' Impeachment Plans

[Bill the Cat]

That doesn't mean there is no evidence. There was loads of evidence, (did you read the report) (have you been missing in action) it simply means they did not make a determination, because it is not their job to make that determination, it is the job of Congress. What he did say is that if he could have exonerated the president, he would have. He couldn't! That means there was evidence of guilt!

Your ignorance of how the law works in this country is dizzying...

[One Bad Pig]

Your ignorance of how the law works in this country is dizzying...

IIRC he never graduated high school and doesn't have to work for a living. What do you expect?

[JimL]

Your ignorance of how the law works in this country is dizzying...

The law in this country does not apply for the President in the same way it would for you or me. You'd think you and OBP would have figured that out by now.

[Mountain Man]

It's the Special Council job to gather and present to Congress...

Wrong. The special counsel works for the attorney general, and it's up to the attorney general to present his recommendations to Congress.

[Bill the Cat]

The law in this country does not apply for the President in the same way it would for you or me. You'd think you and OBP would have figured that out by now.

And the law doesn't apply to Congress' impeachment power either. Congress doesn't even have to determine guilt of anything to impeach. So "guilt or innocence" are legal terms, which you now seem to get, that don't apply to this situation. There was no criminal action. If there was, Mueller would have said it was criminal. He didn't.

[Sparko]

That doesn't mean there is no evidence. There was loads of evidence, (did you read the report) (have you been missing in action) it simply means they did not make a determination, because it is not their job to make that determination, it is the job of Congress. What he did say is that if he could have exonerated the president, he would have. He couldn't! That means there was evidence of guilt!

No it was the job of AG Barr to bring any charges. derp.

[lilpixieofterror]

Actually no, a crime, an illegality, does not have to be committed for impeachment. Impeachment is not a criminal process it's a political process and high crimes and misdemeaners has to do with the Presidents behavior, actions in office, whether illegal or not. But, the evidence for actual criminal behavior, both collusion and obstruction by the president is both obvious and voluminous.

[JimL]

Wrong. The special counsel works for the attorney general, and it's up to the attorney general to present his recommendations to Congress.

The Atty Gen. didn't present his recommendations to Congress, he declared the President to have been exonerated, which is contrary to what the Mueller report said, and Mueller made that clear twice, in his response letter to the Atty. Gen's determination, and again at his press conference yesterday. It's Muellers report, not the Atty Gen's. and it is obvious that the Atty Gen mischaracterized that report just as Mueller responses made clear. Besides that, Mueller also made clear that the responsibility for making those determinations lay with Congress, not the criminal Justice system.

[JimL]

And made no provision to criminally charge him after he leaves office.

Again, that responsibility is for Congress to decide, not the Special Prosecutors.

[JimL]

Your ignorance of how the law works in this country is dizzying...

Well I guess you know better than Mueller, the long time head of the FBI.

[JimL]

And the law doesn't apply to Congress' impeachment power either. Congress doesn't even have to determine guilt of anything to impeach. So "guilt or innocence" are legal terms, which you now seem to get, that don't apply to this situation. There was no criminal action. If there was, Mueller would have said it was criminal. He didn't.

That's just ignorant nonsense. There doesn't have to be criminal action to impeach, but that doesn't mean there wasn't criminal action. Congress can determine whether or not to impeach in either case, whether it be due to criminal behavior, or just behavior unbefitting of the office. In this case there is both, in boatloads.

[JimL]

No it was the job of AG Barr to bring any charges. derp.

Duh! The sitting President can not be indicted, therefore the Atty Gen can not bring any charges and according to Muellers reasoning if the President can not be charged and so tried in the criminal justice system, then it is only the Congress that can put him on trial, which is a process we call impeachment.

[JimL]

No amount of wishing they didn't happen will make them go away lilpix, facts is facts, and they are in the report.

[lilpixieofterror]

No amount of wishing they didn't happen will make them go away lilpix, facts is facts, and they are in the report.

[JimL]

But it does list the evidence of crimes, and that is what the impeachment process is for. It's a trial by Congress. A detail you seem not to understand.