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Originally posted by Christianbookworm View PostCarelessly act on autopilot when tired or sick? But does it count as din if you were not intentionally rebelling against God?
For example, if you bumped into a shelf at the store and something fell into your purse, and you never noticed it, did you sin? It was "stolen" but you had no idea and you didn't do it intentionally so it wasn't a sin. Now if you found out about it later and didn't return it, THEN it becomes a sin because you are keeping something that doesn't belong to you intentionally.
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Originally posted by Sparko View PostI think all sin has to be intentional or it isn't sin.
For example, if you bumped into a shelf at the store and something fell into your purse, and you never noticed it, did you sin? It was "stolen" but you had no idea and you didn't do it intentionally so it wasn't a sin. Now if you found out about it later and didn't return it, THEN it becomes a sin because you are keeping something that doesn't belong to you intentionally.The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by Christianbookworm View PostCarelessly act on autopilot when tired or sick? But does it count as din if you were not intentionally rebelling against God?1Cor 15:34 Come to your senses as you ought and stop sinning; for I say to your shame, there are some who know not God.
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Originally posted by Sparko View PostAnd yet despite all of your protesting, you still sin, as do all Christians. So either you are wrong, or none of us are saved.1Cor 15:34 Come to your senses as you ought and stop sinning; for I say to your shame, there are some who know not God.
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Scripture before Tradition:
but that won't prevent others from
taking it upon themselves to deprive you
of the right to call yourself Christian.
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Originally posted by tabibito View PostI don't make excuses for my sins. When I sin it results from both not hating my sins enough and not loving God enough. It is a signal that I still have work to do with regard to the latter.
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If I was not saved, I would not have the conferred ability to overcome sin. Using the conferred ability to overcome sin is a matter of perseverance and practice.1Cor 15:34 Come to your senses as you ought and stop sinning; for I say to your shame, there are some who know not God.
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Scripture before Tradition:
but that won't prevent others from
taking it upon themselves to deprive you
of the right to call yourself Christian.
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Originally posted by tabibito View PostIf I was not saved, I would not have the conferred ability to overcome sin. Using the conferred ability to overcome sin is a matter of perseverance and practice.
Either you are interpreting the verse(s) wrong or you are not saved. It's a simple either/or situation. You seem to want it both ways. Saying that Christians don't sin, but that you do sin but get some sort of pass because you are trying.
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Originally posted by Sparko View PostAnd yet you claim that the bible teaches that those who belong to Christ don't sin.
But you sin, so you don't belong to Christ. It doesn't say "they will sort of work towards not sinning" does it?
Either you are interpreting the verse(s) wrong or you are not saved. It's a simple either/or situation. You seem to want it both ways. Saying that Christians don't sin, but that you do sin but get some sort of pass because you are trying.
The Eastern Church affirms Theosis, as did the Westminster Divines, John Wesley, Kanzo Uchimura ktl.1Cor 15:34 Come to your senses as you ought and stop sinning; for I say to your shame, there are some who know not God.
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Scripture before Tradition:
but that won't prevent others from
taking it upon themselves to deprive you
of the right to call yourself Christian.
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Originally posted by tabibito View PostWhatever gave you that idea?
Originally posted by tabibito View PostAfter conversion, there will be "continuing to sin" as long as a person lives. No - I am satisfied that the Bible denies that.
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Originally posted by tabibito View PostWhatever gave you that idea?
Actually, it does say that - except for the "sort of" bit. Col 1:10 increasing in the knowledge of God; 1 Thess 3:12 The Lord make you to increase and abound in love toward each other and to all (also 4:10); 2 Cor 10:15 we cherish the hope that your faith will continue to grow; 1 John 2:5 whoever continually keeps his commandments is the kind of person in whom God’s love has truly been perfected; Philippians 3:11 12 It’s not that I have already reached this goal or have already become perfect. But I keep pursuing it, hoping somehow to embrace it just as I have been embraced by the Messiah Jesus. - There are plenty more, even without taking into account the ones that depend on Koine Greek nuances for proper interpretation.
Hardly - the message is clear enough ... we aren't instantly turned into mature/complete (often translated "perfect") Christians. That is something we are expected to achieve ... 1 John 3:2 we will be like him, because we will see him just as he is. 3 And everyone who has this hope in him purifies himself, just as He is pure; Romans 8:13 if by the Spirit you put to death the deeds of the body you will live.
The Eastern Church affirms Theosis....Enter the Church and wash away your sins. For here there is a hospital and not a court of law. Do not be ashamed to enter the Church; be ashamed when you sin, but not when you repent. – St. John Chrysostom
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Originally posted by One Bad Pig View PostYes, as a process which is not complete this side of the grave. As long as we are in corruptible bodies, we have a propensity to sin.
The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by Cow Poke View PostProne to wander, Lord, I feel it, prone to leave the God I love... Here's my heart, Lord, take and seal it, seal it for thy courts above.
Some years ago I heard a prominent conservative radio preacher tell that story (I think it was James Kennedy; or maybe John McArthur). But it appears to be just another one of those glurge stories preachers like to tell without checking the facts.
Possibly somebody confused him with another contemporary Robert Robinson who was a Unitarian minister.Last edited by Faber; 06-21-2019, 12:48 PM.When I Survey....
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Originally posted by Faber View PostThere is an unverified story that the author of that song, Robert Robinson, had indeed drifted away later on in life, and was confronted by a lady on a stagecoach who was listening to that tune. He had confessed that he was the writer of that tune. Supposedly he had turned against the doctrine of the Trinity and was preaching against it.
Some years ago I heard a prominent conservative radio preacher tell that story (I think it was James Kennedy; or maybe John McArthur). But it appears to be just another one of those glurge stories preachers like to tell without checking the facts.
Possibly somebody confused him with another contemporary Robert Robinson who was a Unitarian minister.The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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