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Is Jeffrey Dahmer In Heaven?

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  • #16
    Originally posted by KingsGambit View Post
    This can be a good conversation starter given how many misconceptions there are these days about what Christianity teaches. The other day, I read an article on a mainstream news site (it might have been CNN, not sure) that reported that conservative Christians teach that homosexuality is an unforgivable sin. I wonder how many people out there think this is true and assume that perhaps they have gone too far and could not become a Christian.
    I wonder if those Christians have ever read 1st Corinthians 6:9-11, or the person who wrote such drivel. I have never heard of anyone teach it was unforgivable. The only sin I recall is that the blasphemy of the Holy Spirit is unforgivable, which in my view is the outright constant rejection of Christ.

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    • #17
      Originally posted by ReformedApologist View Post
      I wonder if those Christians have ever read 1st Corinthians 6:9-11, or the person who wrote such drivel. I have never heard of anyone teach it was unforgivable. The only sin I recall is that the blasphemy of the Holy Spirit is unforgivable, which in my view is the outright constant rejection of Christ.
      I think Westboro Baptist Church teaches it, but they are certainly an aberration.
      "I am not angered that the Moral Majority boys campaign against abortion. I am angry when the same men who say, "Save OUR children" bellow "Build more and bigger bombers." That's right! Blast the children in other nations into eternity, or limbless misery as they lay crippled from "OUR" bombers! This does not jell." - Leonard Ravenhill

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      • #18
        Originally posted by KingsGambit View Post
        I think Westboro Baptist Church teaches it, but they are certainly an aberration.
        I just checked their website to see their statement of faith. Wow.

        And a few other articles detail the Church's "softening" since the death of their pastor in 2014. They still proclaim that God hates [gay people], but I don't find anything to indicate that they think homosexuality is the (or an) unpardonable sin.
        The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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        • #19
          Originally posted by ReformedApologist View Post
          I wonder if those Christians have ever read 1st Corinthians 6:9-11, or the person who wrote such drivel. I have never heard of anyone teach it was unforgivable. The only sin I recall is that the blasphemy of the Holy Spirit is unforgivable, which in my view is the outright constant rejection of Christ.
          That's my view as well. No matter how one interprets that, it seems that John 6:37 establishes clearly that nobody can desire to be saved but be rejected.
          "I am not angered that the Moral Majority boys campaign against abortion. I am angry when the same men who say, "Save OUR children" bellow "Build more and bigger bombers." That's right! Blast the children in other nations into eternity, or limbless misery as they lay crippled from "OUR" bombers! This does not jell." - Leonard Ravenhill

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          • #20
            It means that if he let's someone like Dahmer in, then there is hope for all of us!

            And we become new creations.

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            • #21
              Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
              I just checked their website to see their statement of faith. Wow.

              And a few other articles detail the Church's "softening" since the death of their pastor in 2014. They still proclaim that God hates [gay people], but I don't find anything to indicate that they think homosexuality is the (or an) unpardonable sin.
              I just came across a video of the well known Arizona preacher, Steven Anderson, who directly answers a questioner who asked if an ex-gay can repent and be saved with "No, I don't think so." So apparently it really is a thing.

              (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gUkn...-2GSRdy0IvnVqA at 3:53)
              "I am not angered that the Moral Majority boys campaign against abortion. I am angry when the same men who say, "Save OUR children" bellow "Build more and bigger bombers." That's right! Blast the children in other nations into eternity, or limbless misery as they lay crippled from "OUR" bombers! This does not jell." - Leonard Ravenhill

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              • #22
                Originally posted by KingsGambit View Post
                I just came across a video of the well known Arizona preacher, Steven Anderson, who directly answers a questioner who asked if an ex-gay can repent and be saved with "No, I don't think so." So apparently it really is a thing.

                (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gUkn...-2GSRdy0IvnVqA at 3:53)
                Interesting. I know, in the Buttigieg thread, I state my belief that Buttigieg CAN repent, but I think it would be incredibly hard -- he has staked his 'marriage' on it, as well as his whole political career. It would take something pretty much catastrophic, but I still believe it is possible.

                ETA: Wow, just watched the video.
                Last edited by Cow Poke; 06-13-2019, 09:56 PM.
                The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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                • #23
                  If Dahmer truely was saved, then the evil part of him no longer exists. The old man is dead and now lives in the spirit. Or something like that. Anyone want to find the exact quote from Paul?
                  If it weren't for the Resurrection of Jesus, we'd all be in DEEP TROUBLE!

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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by Christianbookworm View Post
                    If Dahmer truely was saved, then the evil part of him no longer exists. The old man is dead and now lives in the spirit. Or something like that. Anyone want to find the exact quote from Paul?
                    It does exist, and will exist as long as we live on this earth, but is in subjugation to the Spirit.
                    "I am not angered that the Moral Majority boys campaign against abortion. I am angry when the same men who say, "Save OUR children" bellow "Build more and bigger bombers." That's right! Blast the children in other nations into eternity, or limbless misery as they lay crippled from "OUR" bombers! This does not jell." - Leonard Ravenhill

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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by KingsGambit View Post
                      It does exist, and will exist as long as we live on this earth, but is in subjugation to the Spirit.
                      Yeah, unfortunately, the old nature doesn't "stay dead", as Paul attests.
                      The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
                        Yeah, unfortunately, the old nature doesn't "stay dead", as Paul attests.
                        I was referring specifically to Dahmer. He is dead, right? So, the evil died with him. I think you guys misunderstood.
                        If it weren't for the Resurrection of Jesus, we'd all be in DEEP TROUBLE!

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                        • #27
                          Originally posted by Christianbookworm View Post
                          I was referring specifically to Dahmer. He is dead, right? So, the evil died with him. I think you guys misunderstood.
                          I blame it all on KG - he needs to pay better attention!



                          The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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                          • #28
                            Originally posted by Christianbookworm View Post
                            I was referring specifically to Dahmer. He is dead, right? So, the evil died with him. I think you guys misunderstood.
                            I thought you were referring to his post-conversion life before he died, but I see what you're referring to now.
                            "I am not angered that the Moral Majority boys campaign against abortion. I am angry when the same men who say, "Save OUR children" bellow "Build more and bigger bombers." That's right! Blast the children in other nations into eternity, or limbless misery as they lay crippled from "OUR" bombers! This does not jell." - Leonard Ravenhill

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                            • #29
                              Originally posted by KingsGambit View Post
                              I thought you were referring to his post-conversion life before he died, but I see what you're referring to now.
                              He would have had whatever personality disorder that contributed to his evil choices until he died. Did you think I actually think that Christians don't sin after conversion?
                              If it weren't for the Resurrection of Jesus, we'd all be in DEEP TROUBLE!

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                              • #30
                                There will be "continuing to sin" after conversion.
                                After conversion, there will be "continuing to sin" as long as a person lives. No - I am satisfied that the Bible denies that.
                                1Cor 15:34 Come to your senses as you ought and stop sinning; for I say to your shame, there are some who know not God.
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                                Scripture before Tradition:
                                but that won't prevent others from
                                taking it upon themselves to deprive you
                                of the right to call yourself Christian.

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