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A baby will have a continuing need for milk after it begins to eat solids.
That need will not continue throughout the baby's life.
So, yes, no? or Yes.
What makes it seem that Paul claims that he can't stop sinning?1Cor 15:34 Come to your senses as you ought and stop sinning; for I say to your shame, there are some who know not God.
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Originally posted by tabibito View PostA baby will have a continuing need for milk after it begins to eat solids.
That need will not continue throughout the baby's life.
So, yes, no? or Yes.
What makes it seem that Paul claims that he can't stop sinning?
Um..... sometimes I just have to shake my head and smile when you post stuff.The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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CP ninja'd me. Tabby is more confusing than James regarding Christian sin. I don't act my best when tired, hungry, or sick, but I'm not thinking about sin at that moment.Last edited by Christianbookworm; 06-14-2019, 05:21 PM.If it weren't for the Resurrection of Jesus, we'd all be in DEEP TROUBLE!
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A baby will continue to crawl after it first begins to walk.
That will not continue throughout the baby's life.
So, yes, no? or Yes.
What makes it seem that Paul claims that he can't stop sinning? Or rather - what makes it seem that Paul stands in contradiction of all the other NT authors, and of Christ himself?1Cor 15:34 Come to your senses as you ought and stop sinning; for I say to your shame, there are some who know not God.
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Scripture before Tradition:
but that won't prevent others from
taking it upon themselves to deprive you
of the right to call yourself Christian.
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Originally posted by tabibito View PostA baby will continue to crawl after it first begins to walk.
That will not continue throughout the baby's life.
So, yes, no? or Yes.
What makes it seem that Paul claims that he can't stop sinning? Or rather - what makes it seem that Paul stands in contradiction of all the other NT authors, and of Christ himself?The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by tabibito View PostA baby will continue to crawl after it first begins to walk.
That will not continue throughout the baby's life.
So, yes, no? or Yes.
What makes it seem that Paul claims that he can't stop sinning? Or rather - what makes it seem that Paul stands in contradiction of all the other NT authors, and of Christ himself?If it weren't for the Resurrection of Jesus, we'd all be in DEEP TROUBLE!
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The point being that they crawl by choice, or when circumstances overwhelm them, perhaps?1Cor 15:34 Come to your senses as you ought and stop sinning; for I say to your shame, there are some who know not God.
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Scripture before Tradition:
but that won't prevent others from
taking it upon themselves to deprive you
of the right to call yourself Christian.
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Originally posted by tabibito View PostWhat makes it seem that Paul claims that he can't stop sinning? Or rather - what makes it seem that Paul stands in contradiction of all the other NT authors, and of Christ himself?
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1 John 1:8 - Really?
8 If we say that we have no (εχομεν) sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. 9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us [our] sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. 10 If we say that we have not (ημαρτηκαμεν) sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.
ημαρτηκαμεν and εχομεν - both are perfect active indicative. Neither verse says "if we say that we do not sin."
And then, proceeding to chapter 2
3 And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments. 4 He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.
An interesting claim that - people who know Christ keep his commandments.
And then in chapter 3 (Just in case people make the mistake of thinking "keeping the commandments" doesn't involve "not sinning.")
6 Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither known him.
Repeated and reinforced through verses 9 and 101Cor 15:34 Come to your senses as you ought and stop sinning; for I say to your shame, there are some who know not God.
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Scripture before Tradition:
but that won't prevent others from
taking it upon themselves to deprive you
of the right to call yourself Christian.
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Originally posted by tabibito View Post1 John 1:8 - Really?
8 If we say that we have no (εχομεν) sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. 9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us [our] sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. 10 If we say that we have not (ημαρτηκαμεν) sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.
ημαρτηκαμεν and εχομεν - both are perfect active indicative. Neither verse says "if we say that we do not sin."
And then, proceeding to chapter 2
3 And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments. 4 He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.
An interesting claim that - people who know Christ keep his commandments.
And then in chapter 3 (Just in case people make the mistake of thinking "keeping the commandments" doesn't involve "not sinning.")
6 Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither known him.
Repeated and reinforced through verses 9 and 10
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Originally posted by Cow Poke View PostLaughing.
Um..... sometimes I just have to shake my head and smile when you post stuff.
Originally posted by Sparko View PostAnd yet you continue to sin, just like the rest of us. Everyone does. Even Paul did. So either none of us are saved, or your interpretation of scripture is off base.
Ben Witherington notes (citing Colin Kruse) that there is much discussion on this passage among scholars, and that some scholars have thrown up their hands and have claimed John contradicts himself. Witherington thinks John is a bit too clever for that, and largely agrees with Smalley,
I realize tabibito has a low view of Biblical scholars, so this isn't really for him, but thought it might be helpful to others.
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Originally posted by Sparko View PostAnd yet you continue to sin, just like the rest of us. Everyone does. Even Paul did. So either none of us are saved, or your interpretation of scripture is off base.
Rom 8:3 God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh: 4 That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
Rom 8:7 the carnal mind [is] enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.8 So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God. 9 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you.
Rom 8:13 For if you live according to the flesh, you shall die: but if through the Spirit you put to death the deeds of the body, you shall live.
But there's that whole "When we were in the flesh thing" at Romans 7:5 - which of course couldn't possibly include Paul, because in Rom 7:14 he says "we know the law is spiritual, but I am in the flesh, having been sold to sin." (as previously noted)1Cor 15:34 Come to your senses as you ought and stop sinning; for I say to your shame, there are some who know not God.
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Scripture before Tradition:
but that won't prevent others from
taking it upon themselves to deprive you
of the right to call yourself Christian.
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Originally posted by tabibito View PostEven Paul did? Ah yes, Romans 7:14 and on, where he says that he cannot stop sinning because he is still in the flesh, still a slave to sin ... Oddly, in chapter 8 he says that there are some who are not in the flesh, and that they (at least can) stop sinning.
Rom 8:3 God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh: 4 That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
Rom 8:7 the carnal mind [is] enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.8 So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God. 9 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you.
Rom 8:13 For if you live according to the flesh, you shall die: but if through the Spirit you put to death the deeds of the body, you shall live.
But there's that whole "When we were in the flesh thing" at Romans 7:5 - which of course couldn't possibly include Paul, because in Rom 7:14 he says "we know the law is spiritual, but I am in the flesh, having been sold to sin." (as previously noted)
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