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Originally posted by Chrawnus View PostThat seems like quiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiite a stretch to me, and hardly something that can be supported by the text of the NT.1Cor 15:34 Come to your senses as you ought and stop sinning; for I say to your shame, there are some who know not God.
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Scripture before Tradition:
but that won't prevent others from
taking it upon themselves to deprive you
of the right to call yourself Christian.
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Originally posted by Christian3 View PostPeter was sent to a Gentile named Cornelius. Acts 10.
However before Acts 10, in Acts 9 Jesus sent Paul to the Gentiles.
Why do you think Jesus didn't send Paul to Cornelius instead of Peter?
Or why didn't Jesus make Peter the Apostle to the Gentiles?
Thanks.
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Originally posted by Christian3 View PostMy answer:
Jesus probably sent Peter to Cornelius to teach him what He wanted him to know at that time; that
God declared Gentiles clean. Before that time Peter would have considered Gentiles unclean and would not have eaten with them.
I think Jesus knew Paul would make a better Apostle to the Gentiles.
Peter had some flaws; he denied Jesus; at first Peter had table fellowship with Gentiles and then he refused to eat with them.
Peter was negatively influence by the Judaizers.
Jesus could depend on Paul whereas He could not depend on Peter.
I think the sentence in bold is the primary reason. The clear proof of that is laid out in the first two chapters of Galatians. Peter was too wishy-washy, still enslaved to his orthodox roots. I envision it as an evangelical Christian today hobnobbing with members of a questionable rock or rap music group until his Christian companions show up, then he not only shuns the group, but even joins his companions in castigating the group (don't know if that's exactly how it happened, but that's what I imagine).
Paul was an orthodox Jewish renegade. And that's apparently the radicalism that God needed as the bridge to the Gentiles, lest the Gentiles just ended up being a splinter sect of Judaism (proselyte Jews).
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Originally posted by One Bad Pig View PostThis is not an accurate reading of the text. In Acts 9, God sent Ananias to heal and baptize Paul, "for he is a chosen vessel of Mine to bear My name before Gentiles, kings, and the children of Israel." Those words were said to Ananias, not Paul, and Paul's immediate action was to dispute with the Jews, not Gentiles; there is no indication from the text that Ananias repeated those words to Paul.
Perhaps because Paul wasn't exactly a trusted leader of the church at the time?
Peter was already the leader of the church; you want him to do everything?"What has the Church gained if it is popular, but there is no conviction, no repentance, no power?" - A.W. Tozer
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Originally posted by Christian3 View PostPeter was sent to a Gentile named Cornelius. Acts 10.
However before Acts 10, in Acts 9 Jesus sent Paul to the Gentiles.
Why do you think Jesus didn't send Paul to Cornelius instead of Peter?
Or why didn't Jesus make Peter the Apostle to the Gentiles?
Thanks.Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
Than a fool in the eyes of God
From "Fools Gold" by Petra
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Originally posted by Chrawnus View PostThat seems like quiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiite a stretch to me, and hardly something that can be supported by the text of the NT.
I probably should have said that his call to a Gentile mission was with a strong degree of irony (a big twist). Paul, as a Pharisee, took on the task of hunting down his fellow countrymen to stop the Messianic movement. At the same time, we can infer that Paul had seen Gentiles as unclean. In this great twist, Paul was sent to evangelize the people he would have least likely wanted to be among -- before he came to Christ.
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