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  • Originally posted by Mountain Man View Post
    Indeed. Anybody who doesn't know that an embryo is a completely separate organism from the mother is scientifically illiterate.
    It has its unique DNA but it cannot exist outside the mother’s body until viability, therefore it’s not a completely separate organism from the mother. While the fertilized egg contains the DNA to create a human being, that alone cannot be said to give it the status of a person...as was determined in Roe v Wade..
    “He felt that his whole life was a kind of dream and he sometimes wondered whose it was and whether they were enjoying it.” - Douglas Adams.

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    • Originally posted by Tassmoron View Post
      It has its unique DNA but it cannot exist outside the mother’s body until viability, therefore it’s not a completely separate organism from the mother..
      Like I said, you're scientifically illiterate.
      Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
      But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
      Than a fool in the eyes of God


      From "Fools Gold" by Petra

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      • Originally posted by JimL View Post
        The so called (baby) is not it's own body,
        You can't even say that without using the possessive pronoun that says the body is the baby's. LOL.


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        • Originally posted by Tassman View Post
          It has its unique DNA but it cannot exist outside the mother’s body until viability, therefore it’s not a completely separate organism from the mother. While the fertilized egg contains the DNA to create a human being, that alone cannot be said to give it the status of a person...as was determined in Roe v Wade..
          A newborn baby can't exist without care either, dumbass.

          We have evolved to carry our young inside our bodies until they are developed enough to be born. But they are still our young inside the womb and not part of the mother. No more than a chicken fetus in an egg is part of the hen.

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          • Originally posted by Tassman View Post
            It has its unique DNA but it cannot exist outside the mother’s body until viability
            Then, by all means, lets not take it out of the mother's body!!!
            The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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            • Originally posted by Sparko View Post
              A newborn baby can't exist without care either, dumbass.

              We have evolved to carry our young inside our bodies until they are developed enough to be born. But they are still our young inside the womb and not part of the mother. No more than a chicken fetus in an egg is part of the hen.
              Or extending the analogy - the mallee fowl, about the same size as a domestic hen. Constant care and attention of the eggs (by the father, so that makes it OK) that takes a lot of time and effort.

              They breed annually except in drought years, laying eggs in a large mound made of sand, usually 3-5 metres in diameter and one metre high. In the middle of the mound, up to a cubic metre of moist litter is buried. The construction of this incubator-mound involves several months of intermittent work (autumn to spring) by both members of a pair, but when completed (early spring) the male and female lead mostly separate lives. The male then spends several hours each day maintaining the condition of the mound and regulating the incubation temperature at around 33°C...


              So it is a matter of working out which of the mallee fowl pair the egg is part of, I guess.
              1Cor 15:34 Come to your senses as you ought and stop sinning; for I say to your shame, there are some who know not God.
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              Scripture before Tradition:
              but that won't prevent others from
              taking it upon themselves to deprive you
              of the right to call yourself Christian.

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              • Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
                Then, by all means, lets not take it out of the mother's body!!!
                Yep! Good idea!

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                • Originally posted by tabibito View Post
                  Or extending the analogy - the mallee fowl, about the same size as a domestic hen. Constant care and attention of the eggs (by the father, so that makes it OK) that takes a lot of time and effort.

                  They breed annually except in drought years, laying eggs in a large mound made of sand, usually 3-5 metres in diameter and one metre high. In the middle of the mound, up to a cubic metre of moist litter is buried. The construction of this incubator-mound involves several months of intermittent work (autumn to spring) by both members of a pair, but when completed (early spring) the male and female lead mostly separate lives. The male then spends several hours each day maintaining the condition of the mound and regulating the incubation temperature at around 33°C...


                  So it is a matter of working out which of the mallee fowl pair the egg is part of, I guess.
                  Penguins too. Or seahorses! The fathers take in the eggs, are pregnant and then give live birth!

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                  • Originally posted by Sparko View Post
                    Yep! Good idea!
                    It's amazing how frequently Tassman shoots down his own arguments.
                    The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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                    • Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
                      It's amazing how frequently Tassman shoots down his own arguments.
                      It's hard to remain consistent when your entire world view is built on lies.

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                      • Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
                        Then, by all means, lets not take it out of the mother's body!!!
                        Cute.

                        That’s up to the mother and her doctor to decide, not you.
                        “He felt that his whole life was a kind of dream and he sometimes wondered whose it was and whether they were enjoying it.” - Douglas Adams.

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                        • Originally posted by Sparko View Post
                          A newborn baby can't exist without care either, dumbass.
                          A fetus can’t exist at all outside the mother’s body at all if it has not attained viability.

                          We have evolved to carry our young inside our bodies until they are developed enough to be born. But they are still our young inside the womb and not part of the mother.
                          The mother is more than just a container for the fetus. The fetus is a part of the maternal organism until such time as it can live separately from the mother. And, until the fetus is viable it is nonsensical to grant it the status of a person, with all the rights and privileges under law of a person.
                          “He felt that his whole life was a kind of dream and he sometimes wondered whose it was and whether they were enjoying it.” - Douglas Adams.

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                          • Originally posted by JimL View Post
                            The so called (baby) is not it's own body, it is the womans body,
                            If it is as you say "the womans body" then why does it have different DNA?
                            Originally posted by JimL View Post
                            The fetus could possible be a human being one day, and though it is certainly human, so is the pancreas, it is not a human being, it is, like the pancreas, the womans body
                            Does the pancreas have a heartbeat? Does the pancreas have brain activity? Does a pancreas have its own organs? Does the pancreas have its own unique DNA? Did you think any of this through before posting or is this more stoned posting on your part?
                            Originally posted by JimL View Post
                            I know, you beg to differ, but the courts have ruled concerning personhood, R vs W
                            IIRC, homosexuality was still listed in the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders (DSM-II) at that time and lobotomies for treating a wide variety of mental issues were still being done though phased out back then. Science, especially in the field of embryology, has come a long way in the past half century.
                            Originally posted by JimL View Post
                            we know you conservative, self described pro-lifers, don't really give a damn about persons anyway, except when they are still in their possibility state.
                            Just like "we know" that Trump committed treason by colluding with the Russians to throw the 2016 election. smiley tinfoil-hat.gif smiley dolt.gif

                            Just the multitude of examples that alone has posted of the sort of work that he is associated with exposes this as nothing but an obvious, desperate lie.

                            I'm always still in trouble again

                            "You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
                            "Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
                            "Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman

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                            • Originally posted by Tassman View Post
                              A fetus can’t exist at all outside the mother’s body at all if it has not attained viability.
                              Neither can a newborn without a lot of outside assistance.

                              I'm always still in trouble again

                              "You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
                              "Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
                              "Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman

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                              • Originally posted by rogue06 View Post
                                Just the multitude of examples that alone has posted of the sort of work that he is associated with exposes this as nothing but an obvious, desperate lie.
                                Not so much a lie as a wilfully oblivious self deception.
                                1Cor 15:34 Come to your senses as you ought and stop sinning; for I say to your shame, there are some who know not God.
                                .
                                ⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛
                                Scripture before Tradition:
                                but that won't prevent others from
                                taking it upon themselves to deprive you
                                of the right to call yourself Christian.

                                ⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛

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