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    Being connected to and dependent on a dialysis machine does not make a person part of the machine.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tabibito View Post
    Being connected to and dependent on a dialysis machine does not make a person part of the machine.
    A person on a dialysis machine is an otherwise viable person, unlike a fetus prior to 22 months.
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    "otherwise viable" wasn't part of the original question - and a person on life support would not be "otherwise viable." There is some likelihood that the person might become self sufficient at some time in the future, but even that could be unlikely. The person might be unable to even breathe for himself - which is far less than a new-born can achieve.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tassman View Post
    A person on a dialysis machine is an otherwise viable person, unlike a fetus prior to 22 months.
    22 month old fetus?!?! What are you an elephant?

    A person in a deep coma kept on life support isn't viable at that point and often has less brainwave activity than an unborn baby.

    And as Tab noted you are moving the goalposts by adding "viable" now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by QuantaFille View Post
    I have heard some from the pro-abortion crowd make this argument. You didn't say it specifically, but that argument is out there.
    On the other hand, I've also seen them argue:
    ...that a fetus is an invader with hostile intent
    ...that a fetus is not going to leave the woman's body eventually and must be forcibly removed,
    ...that a fetus is a part of a woman's body and functions like one of her organs
    ... and all kind of other truly bizarre misinformation. I honestly don't know how people come up with this stuff.

    Quote Originally Posted by Tassman View Post
    Until they are viable they are a part of the mother’s body and the mother has rights as to what to do with her own body.
    *Cough*

    Tassman, literally no doctor or medical professional has thought that since the 1800s (IIRC). We're talking about an era when doctors thought that bloodletting cured disease. Try to find one modern medical professional who agrees with you.

    Hint: what happens when a patient receives donated blood that's the wrong blood type? The mother's and child's bloodstreams can't even mix. They are separate and distinct organisms.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tassman View Post
    A person on a dialysis machine is an otherwise viable person, unlike a fetus prior to 22 months.
    They really are not viable without the machine. Do you understand what a dialysis machine is?
    Curiosity never hurt anyone. It was stupidity that killed the cat.

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    Quote Originally Posted by QuantaFille View Post
    They really are not viable without the machine. Do you understand what a dialysis machine is?
    I think he covered that with "otherwise". But ... yes: life support does have a wide range of application.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tassman View Post
    A person on a dialysis machine is an otherwise viable person, unlike a fetus prior to 22 months.
    Wow, the ignorance here is glaring!

    A) A dialysis machine did not create the person and give him his very own unique DNA.
    2) A person can be removed from and returned to the dialysis machine with no harm to the person.
    C) The purpose of a dialysis machine is to improve life, not kill it, as abortion does.

    You're getting desperate.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tabibito View Post
    I think he covered that with "otherwise". But ... yes: life support does have a wide range of application.
    In that case, a fetus who is dependant on his/her mother is otherwise viable. A person who is dependant on a dialysis machine is otherwise viable. The point still stands, someone who is dependant on something outside of his/her body is not a part of the thing they are dependant on.
    Curiosity never hurt anyone. It was stupidity that killed the cat.

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    Quote Originally Posted by QuantaFille View Post
    In that case, a fetus who is dependant on his/her mother is otherwise viable. A person who is dependant on a dialysis machine is otherwise viable. The point still stands, someone who is dependant on something outside of his/her body is not a part of the thing they are dependant on.
    This "analogy" is just silly on so many points. I think it's a sign of Tassman's desperation.
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