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    If Barr is investigating the FBI, Clinton's campaign and various other democrats in conjunction with the Collusion charges, and the democrats in the house are trying to get him kicked out of office and hold him in contempt, isn't that obstruction of justice?

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    Quote Originally Posted by oxmixmudd View Post
    That is easy. Mueller has shown himself to put integrity and the constitution over self all his life.
    Fake news...

    Source: DIRTY COP: Here Are the Major Scandals that Took Place When Robert Mueller Was FBI Director

    Shortly after his appointment as Special Counsel to investigate Russia’s alleged interference into the 2016 presidential election, a former colleague characterized Robert Mueller as “ramrod straight” and “utterly incorruptible.” Similar language was breathlessly repeated in mainstream media outlets such as Politico, BBC, and Time magazine. Mueller’s Vietnam-era service in the United States Marine Corps and 2004 tag-team with then-Deputy Attorney General James Comey to (supposedly) save American democracy from warrantless spying are mainstays of these biographies, sending a clear message that his integrity is not to be questioned, that his dedication to evenhanded justice is beyond reproach.

    It’s always suspicious when anyone’s credibility is pushed hard like this, but that goes double when the same person was FBI director for 12 years—spanning across both the Bush and Obama administrations from 2001 to 2013—yet most people can’t remember anything about him. We should remember things such as actions he took to impartially uphold the law.

    Sadly, that is not the case. What stands out most during then-FBI Director Mueller’s term in office is the two-tiered system of justice, when obvious crimes and scandals involving government officials and private-sector elites were ignored or even covered up by the FBI. Much of the worst behavior of government officials in the Bush and Obama administrations was given a pass by Mueller’s FBI, as well as a megabank that laundered billions of dollars for Mexican drug cartels and sponsors of terror.

    Simply put: Mueller helped to create the swamp that needs to be drained. He’s a dirty cop with no business being anywhere near any national security investigation, but especially one involving James Comey.

    [What follows is a list of the major scandals that happened on Mueller's watch. -MM]

    https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/201...-fbi-director/

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    Oh, yeah, and the claims that Mueller's team didn't leak is demonstrably false:

    https://www.dailywire.com/news/17558...and-john-nolte
    https://nypost.com/2017/11/06/robert...-leak-problem/
    https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/201...r-ted-malloch/
    https://theconservativetreehouse.com...-stone-arrest/

    Just a few examples, but suffice to say, we know for a fact that Mueller and/or his team repeatedly leaked little (and sometimes not-so-little) tidbits to their media allies throughout the investigation. Notably the only time Mueller pushed back against an alleged leak was the Buzzfeed "bombshell" falsely claiming that Trump had ordered Cohen to lie to Congress. It reminds me of a trick that cops sometimes use when they're suspicious of someone. They'll say something like, "So if we searched your car, would we find any weapons or drugs or dead bodies?" and the guilty man will always latch onto the one thing he can confidently deny, thinking it will make him appear innocent of the rest: "Oh, no, sir, you won't find any dead bodies!" So why do you suppose Mueller went out of his way to deny the Buzzfeed leak but not all the other ones his team was accused of over the past two year?
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    Quote Originally Posted by guacamole View Post
    No. Do you accept EVERY claim made?
    Just ones that have sufficient evidence.


    And yet, it seems to me that when he says: "The summary letter the Department sent to Congress and released to the public late in the afternoon of March 24 did not fully capture the context, nature, and substance of this office’s work and conclusions...", that he indicates that there conflict between Barr's statement and the report.
    "did not fully capture" is not in any way saying there were falsehoods in it. Therefore, the conflicts are over stylistic content.

    To look at it another way, if someone were to make a claim about a passage of scripture, and you were to respond that the the claim did not fully capture the context, nature, and substance of the text, you'd be indicating a discrepancy between what the passage meant and their interpretation of the passage.
    But not the actual text of it. Right?


    IMO, this is irrelevant. Some people might think he is a liar because he is Trump's wingman. I do not. It is possible for a close supporter and underling to truthfully support a boss without lying.
    True. I am referring to the way the relevant Democrats and press have treated Barr.


    Sure. That doesn't mean that I automatically think he is lying. Neither does posting the text of Mueller's letter to anyone claiming that Mueller didn't contradict Barr, when the simplest and most straightforward interpretation of Mueller's letter is that there is a conflict.
    Again, "conflict" is the wrong word to use. It's too broad and does not - itself - capture the nature of the disagreement.


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    Quote Originally Posted by oxmixmudd View Post
    That is easy. Mueller has shown himself to put integrity and the constitution over self all his life. Barr has shown himsef to be willing to put the interests of the country and the constitution behind the interests of Trump.

    Therefore the probabiliy barr is being less than honest is higher.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tabibito View Post
    I'm inclined to agree. Now - what reason do I have to assume that Barr's summary didn't make it look worse than Mueller wanted it to?
    That Barr's claim was positive for the president, rather than condemning.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bill the Cat View Post
    Just ones that have sufficient evidence.
    So, no, in other words. And thus the discussion goes to whether or not people can disagree on "sufficient evidence," in this case.

    "did not fully capture" is not in any way saying there were falsehoods in it.
    I can grant that "did not fully capture" is not a direct falsehood-- but allows the possibility of lying by omission.

    But not the actual text of it. Right?
    But we're not questioning what the text says, in either case, only that such a statement indicates more than a simple disagreement on style.

    True. I am referring to the way the relevant Democrats and press have treated Barr.
    The Democrats are likely overplaying their hand.

    Again, "conflict" is the wrong word to use. It's too broad and does not - itself - capture the nature of the disagreement.
    Let me specify then. By "conflict" I simply mean that the plain reading of Mueller's text indicates that his interpretation of his report and Barr's are not harmonious.

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    Quote Originally Posted by guacamole View Post
    That Barr's claim was positive for the president, rather than condemning.
    Given all the media attention to the "unable to make a determination clause" in Barr's write-up, and how (according to the MSM) that indicated that Trump might be at least technically in breach, maybe not.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tabibito View Post
    Given all the media attention to the "unable to make a determination clause" in Barr's write-up, and how (according to the MSM) that indicated that Trump might be at least technically in breach, maybe not.
    I suppose that could be distant possibility. However, I don't find it likely that Barr is willing to risk contempt of Congress if he though enough of Trump's guilt to indicate it publicly. In that case, why not simply clear up what he means or go to congress, since apparently he and they would not be at odds.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bill the Cat View Post
    No. If Barr's testimony were not true, do you honestly think Mueller would be silent?
    Mueller wasn't silent. He wrote that Atty Gen. Barr mischaracterized his work in context, nature and substance. You can't get much more direct than that. Use a dictionary and maybe even you will be able to figure out what Mueller is saying there.

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    Btw, it is now up to 800 federal prosecutors who say that if it were anyone but the President, he'd have been indicted.

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