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    Quote Originally Posted by oxmixmudd View Post
    I am responding in kind to a discussion already underway on gun control. If you'll notice im not taking pot shots at people's character or motivations. Do you think it might be possible for you to do the same?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cow Poke View Post
    Bless your heart.
    ok - so be it.

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    Why is it anytime a tragedy happens these democrats have to make it political, sheesh they cannot even give it a few days before they start spouting their tripe.

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    Quote Originally Posted by oxmixmudd View Post
    Would not your assumption I'm trying to read minds be your own attempt at reading my mind?

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    just reading your words in context here Oxmixmudd

    Quote Originally Posted by oxmixmudd View Post
    The students were right to take offense at being manipulated. But there is not even any real opportunity to manipulate if one is arguing for gun rights. The gun rights lobby generally tries to lay low around events like this and only surface later to defend against renewed calls for gun control that naturally arise after events like this.

    And in that reality is the guilty knowledge that easy access to guns is part of the problem.

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    I'm only looking at what you posted here and seeing your attempt for what it is and calling you on it. Neither the Memorial nor this Thread are the proper places for the gun debate. You are the one that presupposed that those of us on the side of the 2nd Amendment and the rights of law abiding citizens won't hijack a memorial because there is guilty knowledge about the so called "easy" access to guns an assertion not in evidence. I was just calling you out on your attempt to put the worst light possible on why those who fight to protect the 2nd amendment and the right's afforded to Law abiding citizens for not hijacking the memorial. you refused to accept that the only reason is because we unlike the other side know that a memorial is not the place for politics and will not hijack them for that reason. I"m done I will no longer be a party to any attempt to hijack CPs thread.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RumTumTugger View Post
    just reading your words in context here Oxmixmudd



    I'm only looking at what you posted here and seeing your attempt for what it is and calling you on it. Neither the Memorial nor this Thread are the proper places for the gun debate. You are the one that presupposed that those of us on the side of the 2nd Amendment and the rights of law abiding citizens won't hijack a memorial because there is guilty knowledge about the so called "easy" access to guns an assertion not in evidence. I was just calling you out on your attempt to put the worst light possible on why those who fight to protect the 2nd amendment and the right's afforded to Law abiding citizens for not hijacking the memorial. you refused to accept that the only reason is because we unlike the other side know that a memorial is not the place for politics and will not hijack them for that reason. I"m done I will no longer be a party to any attempt to hijack CPs thread.

    The subject of my reference to guilty knowledge had nothing to do with hijacking memorials. It would be absurd to say not hijacking memorials for any political purpose displayed guilty knowledge. It's just common decency not to do that.

    And indeed, I didn't mention memorials in that paragraph at all. I was making the point that there are no emotions to manipulate ANYWHERE for gun rights after a mass shooting. I was referencing the fact that when a mass shooting occurs, the gun rights lobbyists lay low a bit and wait till the emotions ebb. And in doing so (laying low) they display a guilty knowledge that easy access to guns is part of the problem, in spite of the fact their rhetoric says otherwise.

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    Jorge's trueorigins paper: "...it is known that other volcanic features match what is usually associated with impact craters including ... shatter cones and crystal deformations"

    Planetary Science Institute: "Shatter cones are found in only two places on Earth, 1) in nuclear test sites and 2) meteorite impact structures. They are formed as a result of the high pressure, high velocity shock wave ...

    maximum pressures from 45 to 200 times greater than found in volcanic events (2->20 Gpa)

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    Quote Originally Posted by oxmixmudd View Post
    The subject of my reference to guilty knowledge had nothing to do with hijacking memorials. It would be absurd to say not hijacking memorials for any political purpose displayed guilty knowledge. It's just common decency not to do that.

    And indeed, I didn't mention memorials in that paragraph at all. I was making the point that there are no emotions to manipulate ANYWHERE for gun rights after a mass shooting. I was referencing the fact that when a mass shooting occurs, the gun rights lobbyists lay low a bit and wait till the emotions ebb. And in doing so (laying low) they display a guilty knowledge that easy access to guns is part of the problem, in spite of the fact their rhetoric says otherwise.

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    Do you really think it's fair to accuse them of "guilt knowledge", and "laying low" rather than just decency and good common sense not to inflame a situation?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cow Poke View Post
    Do you really think it's fair to accuse them of "guilt knowledge", and "laying low" rather than just decency and good common sense not to inflame a situation?
    Not when they are unwilling to admit easy access to very powerful weaponry is part of the problem. Not when they fight nearly every attempt to reduce the probability a nutcase can get his hands on weapons capable of killing 10 or more people in a few seconds.

    The problem is the dishonesty that accompanies that kind of rhetoric. That is the 'guilty knowledge' that is displayed. The gun rights lobby needs to get on board to reasonable restrictions and vigorous enforcement that can help reduce access by known high risk users of that weaponry while they are trying to uphold 2nd amendment rights.

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    Last edited by oxmixmudd; 05-16-2019 at 07:31 AM.
    Jorge's trueorigins paper: "...it is known that other volcanic features match what is usually associated with impact craters including ... shatter cones and crystal deformations"

    Planetary Science Institute: "Shatter cones are found in only two places on Earth, 1) in nuclear test sites and 2) meteorite impact structures. They are formed as a result of the high pressure, high velocity shock wave ...

    maximum pressures from 45 to 200 times greater than found in volcanic events (2->20 Gpa)

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    Quote Originally Posted by oxmixmudd View Post
    Not when they are unwilling to admit easy access to very powerful weaponry is part of the problem. Not when they fight nearly every attempt to reduce the probability a nutcase can get his hands on weapons capable of killing 10 or more people in a few seconds.

    The problem is the dishonesty that accompanies that kind of rhetoric. That is the 'guilty knowledge' that is displayed. The gun rights lobby needs to get on board to reasonable restrictions and vigorous enforcement that can help reduce access by known high risk users of that weaponry while they are trying to uphold 2nd amendment rights.

    Jim
    What percent of the available guns in the country are actually used in a mass shooting? If the gun lobby has "guilty knowledge" that a sliver of a fraction of a percent of their product will cause a death, yet they supposedly also know their product's sole intent was made to kill, then their product can be judged as an abject and unmitigated failure.


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    Quote Originally Posted by oxmixmudd View Post
    Not when they are unwilling to admit easy access to very powerful weaponry is part of the problem. Not when they fight nearly every attempt to reduce the probability a nutcase can get his hands on weapons capable of killing 10 or more people in a few seconds.

    The problem is the dishonesty that accompanies that kind of rhetoric. That is the 'guilty knowledge' that is displayed. The gun rights lobby needs to get on board to reasonable restrictions and vigorous enforcement that can help reduce access by known high risk users of that weaponry while they are trying to uphold 2nd amendment rights.

    Jim
    I will note that you're specifically referring to the gun lobby, and not individual 2nd amendment supporters.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ReformedApologist View Post
    Why is it anytime a tragedy happens these democrats have to make it political, sheesh they cannot even give it a few days before they start spouting their tripe.
    Republicans aren't innocent here, but they are rank amateurs compared to the Democrats. Back when she was still relevant, Hillary was a true champion at this. Several times she was out exploiting a tragedy to push her own agenda within 4 or 5 hours after it happened.

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