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    Jesus killed babies!?

    Jesus killed babies, so says a Muslim.

    "Now go, attack the Amalekites and totally destroy everything that belongs to them. Do not spare them; put to death men and women, children and infants, cattle and sheep, camels and donkeys.” (1 Sam 15:2–3)

    His logic is since Christians believe Jesus is God and God ordered babies to be killed, then Jesus killed babies.

    How would you respond to this claim?

    Thanks.

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    God kills everyone. As does Allah. Doesn't he think Allah is in control of our lives and deaths? So doesn't Allah kill babies?

    Doesn't he believe Allah flooded the earth killing everyone except Noah and his family?

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    We also know what happens when people killed without a direct and personal command to do so. The violence inflicted in such circumstances returns on the heads of the violent.
    1 Cor 15:34 εκνηψατε δικαιως και μη αμαρτανετε αγνωσιαν γαρ θεου τινες εχουσιν προς εντροπην υμιν λεγω

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sparko View Post
    God kills everyone. As does Allah. Doesn't he think Allah is in control of our lives and deaths? So doesn't Allah kill babies?

    Doesn't he believe Allah flooded the earth killing everyone except Noah and his family?
    Did Jesus exist as a human being before He was born? If not, then Jesus as a human being cannot be read back into the Old Testament.

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    First, even the Quran mentions the wars of David and Saul so what is the problem?, secondly he needs to study Near Eastern War Rhetoric that use literary devices similar to the Biblical text. Third is God is the author and giver of life so does he not have the right to take it?. And finally God gave them years and years to repent Genesis 15:16-21.
    Last edited by ReformedApologist; 05-10-2019 at 11:02 AM.

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    Jesus came not to judge the world but to save it.

    We can also look that the aspect that Jesus had two aspects. There was Diety and there was humanity. The human aspect didn't exist until the conception and birth of Jesus.

    Even the Noahic flood involved the goal of saving the world. The infected part had to be removed in order to save the world. In this case, the infected part included most of humanity.

    Additionally, God has the power to give life and to take it. He is the potter and we are the clay. If you recognize Jesus as Deity, you are recognizing his authority to handle his creation according to his wisdom.

    In all this, we are here to follow Jesus. We are restricted to live after the human example since we are not God. We see no examples of Jesus killing anyone.
    Last edited by mikewhitney; 05-10-2019 at 11:04 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Christian3 View Post
    Did Jesus exist as a human being before He was born? If not, then Jesus as a human being cannot be read back into the Old Testament.
    Jesus didn't exist as a human being, but God the Son did. Who became incarnate as Jesus. They are the same person.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Christian3 View Post
    Jesus killed babies, so says a Muslim.

    "Now go, attack the Amalekites and totally destroy everything that belongs to them. Do not spare them; put to death men and women, children and infants, cattle and sheep, camels and donkeys.” (1 Sam 15:2–3)

    His logic is since Christians believe Jesus is God and God ordered babies to be killed, then Jesus killed babies.

    How would you respond to this claim?

    Thanks.
    Is this Muslim saying that the killing of babies should be done by people today?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sparko View Post
    Jesus didn't exist as a human being, but God the Son did. Who became incarnate as Jesus. They are the same person.
    OK. The second person of the Trinity is God's Word (Son by relationship) and it is the Word/Son who incarnated Jesus at His conception.

    So, it was not until Jesus' conception that the Word became flesh, which means that Jesus as a human being did not exist before He was born.

    Which means this Muslim has a problem with one of God's decisions and not Jesus of Nazareth as a human being.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mikewhitney View Post
    Is this Muslim saying that the killing of babies should be done by people today?
    His point is that Jesus is worse for killing babies than any violence by Allah in the Qur'an, and Muhammad.

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