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So which simpler animals did you mean?
Blessings,
Lee"What I pray of you is, to keep your eye upon Him, for that is everything. Do you say, 'How am I to keep my eye on Him?' I reply, keep your eye off everything else, and you will soon see Him. All depends on the eye of faith being kept on Him. How simple it is!" (J.B. Stoney)
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Originally posted by lee_merrill View Post
So which simpler animals did you mean?
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LeeLast edited by shunyadragon; 05-10-2019, 10:02 PM.
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Just basing your argument on the selective reference of new discoveries that in and of themselves adds information to the theory of evolution without context of the overall knowledge of the fossil evidence of the Cambrian and PreCambrian is fundamentally unethical in science.
It is obvious, and not meaningful, that science does not expect new discoveries.Last edited by shunyadragon; 05-11-2019, 09:14 AM.
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Originally posted by lee_merrill View Post
Were these common features at the time, but has only been maintained in arthropods? Does the arthropod lineage actually predate this species? Did all contemporary members of arthropoda share these features? Did the origin of these features define the arthropod lineage, and thus should be expected in this organism?
We don't know because we simply don't have the data, as the papers themselves make clear."Any sufficiently advanced stupidity is indistinguishable from trolling."
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Originally posted by TheLurch View PostThus, we don't even know what was "primitive" at the time. (Primitive is a terrible term, given that there's no objective standard for advanced, hence the quotes.)
Were these common features at the time, but has only been maintained in arthropods?
Does the arthropod lineage actually predate this species?
Did all contemporary members of arthropoda share these features?
Did the origin of these features define the arthropod lineage, and thus should be expected in this organism?
Blessings,
Lee"What I pray of you is, to keep your eye upon Him, for that is everything. Do you say, 'How am I to keep my eye on Him?' I reply, keep your eye off everything else, and you will soon see Him. All depends on the eye of faith being kept on Him. How simple it is!" (J.B. Stoney)
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Originally posted by shunyadragon View PostAre you attempting the fallacy of an 'argument from ignorance.' The old missing link fallacy. New discoveries just simply add more information in the evolution of animals in the Cambrian.
There are numerous simpler animals older than the Fuxianhuia.
Blessings,
Lee"What I pray of you is, to keep your eye upon Him, for that is everything. Do you say, 'How am I to keep my eye on Him?' I reply, keep your eye off everything else, and you will soon see Him. All depends on the eye of faith being kept on Him. How simple it is!" (J.B. Stoney)
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Originally posted by lee_merrill View PostNo, it's the present link that's the problem, the early appearance of a modern brain and cardiovascular system.
But this doesn't prove descent.
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Originally posted by shunyadragon View PostThere is no 'proof' in science. It is a given in all your threads that you reject evolution and common descent. You are still looking for rabbit fossils in Cambrian rocks, and blatantly misrepresenting science at every opportunity. This is your favorite the 'arguing from ignorance' expecting 'missing links' with every new discovery. This beyond bogus science.
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You really, really need to learn some biology before you start talking evolution. Because the things you say just don't make sense.
Originally posted by lee_merrill View PostWell, primitive, as opposed to modern brains and cardiovascular systems.
Don't know that this matters, though, what would be of interest here is why such modern systems appear so early.
Originally posted by lee_merrill View PostThat would be interesting either way, but again, the early appearance of a modern brain and cardiovascular system in this Cambrian creature is not what we would expect in the fossil record.
Originally posted by lee_merrill View PostI'm not sure what you're getting at here, though."Any sufficiently advanced stupidity is indistinguishable from trolling."
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Originally posted by TheLurch View PostInsects have apparently taken the general structure of a nervous system that was present in the Cambrian and, through hundreds of millions of years of evolution, refined and specialized it for a dizzying variety of lifestyles. Is any version of this - either fossil or existent - "modern" or "primitive"? These terms just don't make sense for the discussion you want to have.
So yes, it does make sense to talk in such terms.
Let me give you a concrete example. Birds have unidirectional air flow through their lungs, which helps them manage their astonishing metabolism. For many years, that was thought to have evolved under the selective pressure of flight. Then, some bright spark decided to actually look at birds' relatives, and found that the rather sluggish ambush predator the alligator also has one-way air flow through its lungs. Birds undoubtedly got it from their ancestors. Thus, the trait was present everywhere on the dinosaur family tree when birds first evolved - they couldn't not have that feature.
Blessings,
Lee"What I pray of you is, to keep your eye upon Him, for that is everything. Do you say, 'How am I to keep my eye on Him?' I reply, keep your eye off everything else, and you will soon see Him. All depends on the eye of faith being kept on Him. How simple it is!" (J.B. Stoney)
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Originally posted by lee_merrill View PostWell, they say:
So yes, it does make sense to talk in such terms.
So if this was the case with arthropods, that only exacerbates the problem!
Blessings,
Lee
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Originally posted by Duragizer View PostPerhaps I'm getting the wrong impression here — I'm only a layman, and not well versed in the intricacies of debating — but merrill's doing the Gish gallop with all these threads, correct? 'Cause they seem essentially the same, recycling the same argument(s) refuted numerous times already.
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