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    Ohio bill and ectopic pregnancies?

    I have heard that Ohio's heartbeat bill effectively bans the treatment of ectopic pregnancies, which are fatal for women if untreated. I haven't been able to hear the pro-life side of this but I am rather concerned. Has anybody heard more?
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    I'll try to look into it after Church - I would hope there are some exceptions, just like exceptions to abortion in the case of the mother's life being in actual danger. Maybe by that time, somebody else will have answered.
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    The embryo dies of prematurity. Undesired side effect of trying to save the mom.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Christianbookworm View Post
    The embryo dies of prematurity. Undesired side effect of trying to save the mom.
    What I am hearing is that whoever wrote the law doesn't understand how they work, and pro choicers are having a field day over it.
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    They didn't put that it's acceptable to deliver early to save the mother? And if the baby tragically dies, it isn't the same as an abortion.
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    Quote Originally Posted by KingsGambit View Post
    What I am hearing is that whoever wrote the law doesn't understand how they work, and pro choicers are having a field day over it.
    Yeah, from the little that I've seen (otherwise preoccupied with Mothers Day) it looks like a... um.... mess.
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    Quote Originally Posted by KingsGambit View Post
    I have heard that Ohio's heartbeat bill effectively bans the treatment of ectopic pregnancies, which are fatal for women if untreated. I haven't been able to hear the pro-life side of this but I am rather concerned. Has anybody heard more?
    Not according to the bill.

    Source: http://search-prod.lis.state.oh.us/solarapi/v1/general_assembly_132/bills/hb258/EN/05?format=pdf



    (B) Sections 2919.192 to 2919.195 of the Revised Code apply only to intrauterine
    pregnancies.

    (A)(1) "Medical emergency" has the same meaning as in section 2919.16 of the Revised Code.
    (A)(2) "Medical necessity" means a medical condition of a pregnant woman that, in the
    reasonable judgment of the physician who is attending the woman, so complicates the pregnancy that
    it necessitates the immediate performance or inducement of an abortion.

    (E) If a medical emergency or medical necessity compels the performance or inducement of
    an abortion, the physician who will perform or induce the abortion, prior to its performance or
    inducement if possible, shall inform the pregnant woman of the medical indications supporting the
    physician's judgment that an immediate abortion is necessary.


    "Intrauterine pregnancy" means a pregnancy in which the fetus is attached to the
    placenta within the uterus of the pregnant woman .

    © Copyright Original Source



    Ectopic pregnancies do not fall under this code.


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    A similar bill has been proposed in the same state: https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...box=1575018221

    I grant that the article itself is very biased against the pro-life movement, but I was linked to this article by a pro-life organization I follow that was horrified that this bill was ever proposed.

    Frankly, I don't blame outsiders from asking "what's the real goal?" when they see such things.
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    Quote Originally Posted by KingsGambit View Post
    A similar bill has been proposed in the same state: https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...box=1575018221

    I grant that the article itself is very biased against the pro-life movement, but I was linked to this article by a pro-life organization I follow that was horrified that this bill was ever proposed.

    Frankly, I don't blame outsiders from asking "what's the real goal?" when they see such things.
    I think it was poorly written, the section defining "abortion murder" starts with a disclaimer defining "reasonable medical judgement" as a judgement by any prudent physician, which leaves a pretty wide range of options.

    I find it hard to believe that the topic of ectopic pregnancies are unknown to anyone who has wrestled with the legal and moral issues of ectopic pregnancies. That said, there are some on the pro life side that see ectopic pregnancy as morally equivalent to the "health and welfare" or mental health of the woman loophole (which practically allows any abortion).

    I see this bill as a disaster for pro life, it places the pro life concept in a poor light.

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    Quote Originally Posted by simplicio View Post
    I think it was poorly written, the section defining "abortion murder" starts with a disclaimer defining "reasonable medical judgement" as a judgement by any prudent physician, which leaves a pretty wide range of options.

    I find it hard to believe that the topic of ectopic pregnancies are unknown to anyone who has wrestled with the legal and moral issues of ectopic pregnancies. That said, there are some on the pro life side that see ectopic pregnancy as morally equivalent to the "health and welfare" or mental health of the woman loophole (which practically allows any abortion).

    I see this bill as a disaster for pro life, it places the pro life concept in a poor light.
    Did you read my response?


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