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    Quote Originally Posted by Leonhard View Post
    Doesn't Roe vs Wade override this though?
    From what I am reading they wrote this to directly challenge Roe in the Supreme Court.
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    Quote Originally Posted by oxmixmudd View Post
    Although I understand why they might have thought it made sense, I tend to think the lack of an exception for rape and incest is over the top. We have laws that allow a rapist to demand parental rights after the fact. Not so sure it makes sense to force a woman that conceived due to rape to have to endure a lifetime of continuous rape (though his exercise of control over her life and the life of the child) by that person once they get out of prison. Incest is a very odd situation to start with, but again, the lack of an exception is forcing the victim to continue to be a victim for their entire life.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tabibito View Post
    Perhaps not. They haven't banned abortion, just banned abortion after six weeks.
    No, there is no six week exception:

    Alabama is the only state with a near-total abortion ban bill pending or already on the books. While other states are pushing for abortion bans after six weeks, also known as “heartbeat bills,” Alabama is pushing for a total abortion ban without exception. A spokesperson for Planned Parenthood Southeast Advocates told AL.com this bill would likely be the most extreme abortion ban, if signed into law, post Roe v. Wade.

    https://www.al.com/reckon/2019/05/an...-ban-bill.html
    This is a seriously bold move...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mountain Man View Post
    The obvious solution is a law stating that any man convicted of rape or incest loses all parental rights to any child that might result from his crime.
    And castrate him in the process...
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    Quote Originally Posted by seer View Post
    No, there is no six week exception:



    This is a seriously bold move...
    If there are no exception clauses, it is a bad law.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tabibito View Post
    If there are no exception clauses, it is a bad law.
    Note that the description was preceded by "near-total" ban. There would be exceptions for where the mother's life is genuinely in danger and the fetus is as yet nonviable, as far as I can tell.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tabibito View Post
    If there are no exception clauses, it is a bad law.
    Just the life of the mother...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mountain Man View Post
    The obvious solution is a law stating that any man convicted of rape or incest loses all parental rights to any child that might result from his crime.
    I tend to think if a rape creates a pregnancy, the women should have some say in whether that pregnacy is allowed to continue. Especially early on. To put that sort of lifelong reponsibility on someone that is the victim of a crime like rape is insane, even vindictive.

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    Quote Originally Posted by oxmixmudd View Post
    I tend to think if a rape creates a pregnancy, the women should have some say in whether that pregnacy is allowed to continue. Especialky early on. To put that sort of lifelong reposibility on someone that is the victim of a crime like rape is insane, even vindictive.

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    How is murdering someone because they were begotten by rape not insane or vindictive? Does it make it okay because you do so before they exit the womb?

    ETA: If the resulting child is put up for adoption, that would not be a lifelong responsibility.
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    Quote Originally Posted by oxmixmudd View Post
    I tend to think if a rape creates a pregnancy, the women should have some say in whether that pregnacy is allowed to continue. Especialky early on. To put that sort of lifelong reposibility on someone that is the victim of a crime like rape is insane, even vindictive.

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    That is a position that I have a strong sympathy for, yet should the baby be the one to pay the ultimate price? He/she is absolutely innocent in all this.

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