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    Quote Originally Posted by oxmixmudd View Post
    I tend to think if a rape creates a pregnancy, the women should have some say in whether that pregnacy is allowed to continue. Especially early on. To put that sort of lifelong reponsibility on someone that is the victim of a crime like rape is insane, even vindictive.

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    Right, let's kill the innocent human life because that's not insane or vindictive.

    Did you think that all the way through before you clicked the submit button?

    I sympathize with victims of rape, they have suffered an evil, but committing another evil in the event that they become pregnant is not the answer. Adoption is always an option, and who knows, the woman may even come to love the life that is developing inside her.
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    Why is incest such a commonly suggested exception for abortion anyway? I understand the reasoning for the rape exception, even if I don't necessarily agree with it, but incest as an exception seems almost random.

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    Quote Originally Posted by One Bad Pig View Post
    How is murdering someone because they were begotten by rape not insane or vindictive? Does it make it okay because you do so before they exit the womb?

    ETA: If the resulting child is put up for adoption, that would not be a lifelong responsibility.
    Well first and foremost, in the case of an early stage pregnancy brought on by rape, it is not a case of murder. The rapist has violently foisted this situation upon the women. He has, in effect, threatened her life twice. The first time by the actual attack. And the second time by forcing her into the position where she has to chose between her own life and the life forming within her. To carry this life to term is to lose her life, to have it stolen by the man who raped her. And in this case, the fact we recognize that if her life is in danger, she has the right not to continue the pregnancy comes into play. In this case, I believe she has as much right to have a say in what happens next as she would have if carrying the baby would be a physical and mortal danger to her.

    But most of the time it should not come to this. Most of the time the way this issue can be best dealt with is to just give the raped woman the option of taking something preventative when she reports the rape. Most of the time that will be sufficient. It will prevent any potential outcome of the rape that would create the need to agonize over a decision about an abortion.

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    Jorge's trueorigins paper: "...it is known that other volcanic features match what is usually associated with impact craters including ... shatter cones and crystal deformations"

    Planetary Science Institute: "Shatter cones are found in only two places on Earth, 1) in nuclear test sites and 2) meteorite impact structures. They are formed as a result of the high pressure, high velocity shock wave ...

    maximum pressures from 45 to 200 times greater than found in volcanic events (2->20 Gpa)

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    Quote Originally Posted by seer View Post
    I think this is written to be consistent. If the unborn is a human being, no matter how it was conceived, it should have status under the law.
    I disagree. The rapist forced this life upon her. She had no say in its coming into existence. Any consequence of his action, up to and including her choice not to allow the pregnancy to continue falls fully and completely on the rapist. She has the right not to be forced to sacrifice her life even for her own child. By starting a human life in this way, he is criminally negligent, and if the outcome is the child's death, it is his guilt to bear. She is the victim. The newly forming life is the victim. And he is the criminal.

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    Last edited by oxmixmudd; 05-15-2019 at 08:54 PM.
    Jorge's trueorigins paper: "...it is known that other volcanic features match what is usually associated with impact craters including ... shatter cones and crystal deformations"

    Planetary Science Institute: "Shatter cones are found in only two places on Earth, 1) in nuclear test sites and 2) meteorite impact structures. They are formed as a result of the high pressure, high velocity shock wave ...

    maximum pressures from 45 to 200 times greater than found in volcanic events (2->20 Gpa)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mountain Man View Post
    Right, let's kill the innocent human life because that's not insane or vindictive.

    Did you think that all the way through before you clicked the submit button?

    I sympathize with victims of rape, they have suffered an evil, but committing another evil in the event that they become pregnant is not the answer. Adoption is always an option, and who knows, the woman may even come to love the life that is developing inside her.
    And I suppose women abused by their husbands should just hang out and quietly be abused too? Who knows, maybe eventually they will change him by their loving response?

    You don't realize it - but thoughts like the ones you just expressed are nothing more than the continued abuse of the rape victim.

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    Jorge's trueorigins paper: "...it is known that other volcanic features match what is usually associated with impact craters including ... shatter cones and crystal deformations"

    Planetary Science Institute: "Shatter cones are found in only two places on Earth, 1) in nuclear test sites and 2) meteorite impact structures. They are formed as a result of the high pressure, high velocity shock wave ...

    maximum pressures from 45 to 200 times greater than found in volcanic events (2->20 Gpa)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Terraceth View Post
    Why is incest such a commonly suggested exception for abortion anyway? I understand the reasoning for the rape exception, even if I don't necessarily agree with it, but incest as an exception seems almost random.
    Incest is rare. But it is horrible for the victim, and is often non-consensual in any real sense (i.e. a form of rape). So it's basically the same as the rape situation in terms of why one would allow an abortion.

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    Jorge's trueorigins paper: "...it is known that other volcanic features match what is usually associated with impact craters including ... shatter cones and crystal deformations"

    Planetary Science Institute: "Shatter cones are found in only two places on Earth, 1) in nuclear test sites and 2) meteorite impact structures. They are formed as a result of the high pressure, high velocity shock wave ...

    maximum pressures from 45 to 200 times greater than found in volcanic events (2->20 Gpa)

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    Quote Originally Posted by oxmixmudd View Post
    And I suppose women abused by their husbands should just hang out and quietly be abused too? Who knows, maybe eventually they will change him by their loving response?

    You don't realize it - but thoughts like the ones you just expressed are nothing more than the continued abuse of the rape victim.

    Jim
    You think a woman carrying a baby to term is abusive? Really?

    You think a rape victim learning to love the baby she is carrying is like an abused wife learning to "love" her husband? Really?

    You think that murdering an innocent human life is an acceptable alternative? Really?

    And you claim you're pro-life? Really?
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    The claim now circulating is that the bill has a rider that if a woman makes a rape accusation that fails to result in a guilty conviction, she goes to jail for ten years. I can't find any evidence this rider exists and am sure mainstream media would have picked up on it by now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by oxmixmudd View Post
    Well first and foremost, in the case of an early stage pregnancy brought on by rape, it is not a case of murder.
    Wrong. I don't care how "early" the stage is, abortion is the deliberate termination of a person's life.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mountain Man View Post
    You think a woman carrying a baby to term is abusive? Really?

    You think a rape victim learning to love the baby she is carrying is like an abused wife learning to "love" her husband? Really?

    You think that murdering an innocent human life is an acceptable alternative? Really?

    And you claim you're pro-life? Really?
    Sorry, but your rant is just a combination of abuse of the victim, the women who was raped, and putting your fingers in your ears and refusing to even listen to the points made. This is not abortion for birth control. My point is that rape is effectively the same class of situation as danger to the life of the mother. Insread of debating that point, you are off once again attacking the person instead of providing a reasoned counter point, if one exists.

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    Jorge's trueorigins paper: "...it is known that other volcanic features match what is usually associated with impact craters including ... shatter cones and crystal deformations"

    Planetary Science Institute: "Shatter cones are found in only two places on Earth, 1) in nuclear test sites and 2) meteorite impact structures. They are formed as a result of the high pressure, high velocity shock wave ...

    maximum pressures from 45 to 200 times greater than found in volcanic events (2->20 Gpa)

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