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    So you are counted among those who view an unborn baby as being less than human. The proverbial clump of tissue.

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    Quote Originally Posted by oxmixmudd View Post
    Nope.

    The women who has consensual sex is consenting to the potential hardship that is the consequence of her choice.

    The raped women is not.

    Consider:

    I can choose to climb Mount Everest and if I die, that is my choice.

    If I force someone to climb Mount Everest and they die, I am a murderer.
    Horrible analogy.


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    Quote Originally Posted by oxmixmudd View Post
    You are sacrificing real compassion for a living, breathing, human being that is the victim of a horrible crime for abstract, fantasy compassion for a potential human being that as yet can neither see, breath, hear, think, eat, or even perceive in any way any element of what is happening around it.

    You are ignoring what has happened to the women and foisting the responsibility for this potential child upon her. It is not her responsibility, it is the rapists. But one certainly can't expect him accept that - now can we?

    And again I will make the point you just can't seem to hold in your brain long enough to let it effect the content of your posts -

    I am not recommending abortion, I am saying it is wrong to take from her, the victim of the rape, that option.



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    And you are sacrificing a living human being on the altar of someone feeling bad because they were raped.

    Again, many wonderful people were the product of rape. Being the child of a rape doesn't make you a bad person. You don't deserve to die just because your mom feels bad about what happened to her or she hates you.

    https://tinseltownmom.com/10-celebri...d-out-of-rape/


    Inside the World of Anti-Abortion Activists Who Were Conceived By Rape and Incest

    It's jarring — and effective. Libertarian blogger Andrew Klavan writes at the conservative site Truth Revolt on Thursday that the women in these photos helped change his mind about abortion. He now thinks the practice should be illegal under all circumstances.
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    Texas Gov. Rick Perry had a similar change of heart after meeting with anti-abortion activist Rebecca Kiessling, who was conceived by rape. Before the 2012 election, she talked with Perry, explaining to LifeNews.com that the meeting went something like this:

    I said to him, “When you make that rape exception, it’s like you’re saying to me that I deserved the death penalty for the crimes of my father. According to the U.S. Supreme Court, my father didn’t even deserve the death penalty. The Supreme Court has said there is no death penalty for rapists. But you say that I, as the innocent child of rape, deserved the death penalty?” And Perry said, “No, no, I don’t believe that.”

    Perry now insists that the life of the mother should be the only exception when it comes to abortion.
    https://www.theatlantic.com/politics...d-rape/357314/

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    Quote Originally Posted by oxmixmudd View Post
    Nope.

    The women who has consensual sex is consenting to the potential hardship that is the consequence of her choice.

    The raped women is not.

    Consider:

    I can choose to climb Mount Everest and if I die, that is my choice.

    If I force someone to climb Mount Everest and they die, I am a murderer.


    You can't take the moral responsibility to own the consequences of ones own choices and say that means someone forced to do the same thing also has to own the consequences. I am not responsible for the consequences of something you force me to do. You are.


    Therefore, allowing rape as an exception clause for a ban on abortions does not in any way apply the reasons that exception clause might exist to any manner of consensual sex that produces a pregnancy. The raped women is victim and is not responsible to accept the consequences of the rapists actions. The women that had consensual sex is not a victim and through her own choice is pregnant and thus must accept the consequences of her own actions.


    Jim
    Again, you are saying it is not the actual hardship that is the problem, in both cases the women can handle the hardship if need be. You are saying that the woman should get a freebee, an "out" because of the circumstances of her condition.
    That because she is a victim, her innocent baby is allowed to become a victim too, of abortion. The baby pays with it's life, while the rapist just gets a few years in prison. Is that fair?

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    Quote Originally Posted by oxmixmudd View Post
    You are sacrificing real compassion for a living, breathing, human being that is the victim of a horrible crime for abstract, fantasy compassion for a potential human being that as yet can neither see, breath, hear, think, eat, or even perceive in any way any element of what is happening around it.

    You are ignoring what has happened to the women and foisting the responsibility for this potential child upon her. It is not her responsibility, it is the rapists. But one certainly can't expect him accept that - now can we?

    And again I will make the point you just can't seem to hold in your brain long enough to let it effect the content of your posts -

    I am not recommending abortion, I am saying it is wrong to take from her, the victim of the rape, that option.



    Jim
    And you've done it again: claim you're pro-life while using every argument in the pro-abortionist's handbook.

    Go back and read my comments throughout this thread and then tell me again if you can honestly say that I am "ignoring what has happened to the women and foisting the responsibility for this potential child upon her."
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    Quote Originally Posted by oxmixmudd View Post

    I am not recommending abortion, I am saying it is wrong to take from her, the victim of the rape, that option.

    Jim
    And if he has any other kids, let's just give her the option to shoot them in the face. That'll fix him...


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    Quote Originally Posted by Bill the Cat View Post
    And if he has any other kids, let's just give her the option to shoot them in the face. That'll fix him...
    Yeah how is giving her the option to murder an innocent baby supposed to help her as a rape victim? It just turns her into a rape victim who is also a murderer. Which last time I checked is worse than being a rapist.

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    An abortion would be like getting raped again!
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    Quote Originally Posted by rogue06 View Post
    So you are counted among those who view an unborn baby as being less than human. The proverbial clump of tissue.
    Rogue - you are smarter and more honest than to be purposefully mischaracterizing a person's view or stated position. What you have just said is libel.

    I am pro-life, but I view the initial stages (prior to formation of the nervous system) as not yet a person. Human life with the potential to become a person, but not yet. And that is hugely different from what you just said. An unborn baby can be 8 months 2 weeks gestation. I am talking about the first 4 to 6 weeks at most. Further, I am not advocating for that distinction to make abortion on demand something moral, or acceptable in the normal case during this early period. But in THIS case (the case of a women made pregnant by a rapist against her will), it is an important difference and must be taken into account. The difference being there are two innocents whose lives can't both be saved as they currently are. And during that early period, I believe the choice can be morally made to allow the women to preserve what is left of her life as it was before the rape.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Christianbookworm View Post
    An abortion would be like getting raped again!
    That may well be true for you, and so you would most likely choose to keep the baby. That is your choice and it is a noble choice. But it will not be everyone's choice. And the consequences for some of being forced to carry the pregnancy to term will be much worse than the consequences of ending the pregnancy. That is why it should be up to the woman - in this case - to make the decision.

    Jim
    Last edited by oxmixmudd; 05-16-2019 at 01:33 PM.
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