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    Quote Originally Posted by Sparko View Post
    250 over 10 years is a whole lot less than the 10's of thousands dying in back alleys that the prochoice people pushed as a statistic and still do.
    Then if anyone here pushes that statistic, you should object.

    But since no-one has, you're attacking a straw-man and giving the appearance of being unable to contest what was actually said.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sparko View Post
    250 over 10 years is a whole lot less than the 10's of thousands dying in back alleys that the prochoice people pushed as a statistic and still do.
    The number you’re looking for is 2500 not 250.
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    Quote Originally Posted by firstfloor View Post
    The number you’re looking for is 2500 not 250.
    citation, please
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cow Poke View Post
    citation, please
    There is a graph that I have seen in a couple of places showing data from the National Centre for Health Statistics. I have not tried to find the original graph or data thus far. Here is a link.
    https://realchoice.blogspot.com/2008...1950s.html?m=1
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    Quote Originally Posted by firstfloor View Post
    The number you’re looking for is 2500 not 250.
    noted, thanks. But my point remains - medical procedures, even in hospitals, were more dangerous back then than now. And we still have numerous deaths from abortions today.

    eta: your source sucks. It is made up by someone. try again.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sparko View Post
    Yep -- and there are still deaths from LEGAL abortions even today. Mostly from hemorrhaging.
    There are I don't disagree with you here. The NIH did a study on Abortion related death and it seems to be 1/100,000 or 108 between 1988 and 2010. Its actually on par with the number of women who die from labor and delivery. Two outliers in the graph were that the deaths increased at later gestational age (18 weeks or later). and between 9 and 13 weeks. Technically it IS safer than illegal abortions however in 1972 (pre roe) the nuumber of illegal abortion deaths was 39 in the US. It looks like it was very high in the 1940's estimating in that decade the numbers are somewhere from 500-1000. (per the decade) However accurate data comes from hospital records and its VERY hard to obtain records. Planned Parenthood is guilty of inflating the numbers. The Washington Post published their exxaggeration as a false claim. HOWEVER it is safer to have access to a clean, sterile facility than if it was the "illegal" version. Which today is still illegal FYI. For this reason, I don't support making the procedure illegal. I support restrictions on it. And I support closing planned parenthood and other freestanding clinics and having it done via a hospital.
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    As the MSM trains all their focus on states that have passed "heartbeat laws" it appears that ABC, CBS, and NBC's TV news has not had the time to mention that yesterday Illinois Governor J.B. Pritzker (D) signed a new abortion bill into law that is being called more radical than the one that New York passed back in January.

    Source: Illinois Passes Abortion Bill More Extreme Than New York's


    As expected, the Illinois Senate voted 34-20 on Friday to pass a bill that is even more extreme than New York's infanticide law. The "Reproductive Health Act" repeals the state's ban on partial-birth abortion, allowing abortions through nine months, and requires insurance companies to provide coverage.

    Democrat Governor J.B. Pritzker who has campaigned to make Illinois the most progressive state in the country for abortion hugged and congratulated supporters of the bill on the Senate floor after the vote. Pritzker has vowed to sign it into law.

    As CBN News reported, the bill known as the "Reproductive Health Act" is more extreme than the bill passed in New York earlier this year and would make Illinois "an abortion destination" for the entire country. Abortions would be allowed for any reason and at any time during pregnancy.

    Among other provisions, the amended bill requires private health insurance companies that cover pregnancy-related benefits to cover abortions – even late-term abortions.

    There are no abortion coverage exemptions for churches, religious nonprofits, or pro-life individuals and small business owners.

    The bill even strikes current law that protects parents from having to pay for a child's abortion when performed without parental consent.

    Democrat state Rep. Kelly Cassidy, the bill's sponsor, said, "This is treating abortion care like any other health care."

    "These are horrific days when Illinois lawmakers celebrate eliminating all protections for unborn children, allowing infanticide, removing conscience protection laws for health care workers, and allowing minors to freely obtain abortions without parental notification," Liberty Counsel Founder and Chairman Mat Staver said in a press release. "This has nothing to do with health care. This a crime against humanity. Yet tragically, Governor Pritzker brags about it."



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    Quote Originally Posted by rogue06 View Post
    Meanwhile...












    As the MSM trains all their focus on states that have passed "heartbeat laws" it appears that ABC, CBS, and NBC's TV news has not had the time to mention that yesterday Illinois Governor J.B. Pritzker (D) signed a new abortion bill into law that is being called more radical than the one that New York passed back in January.

    Source: Illinois Passes Abortion Bill More Extreme Than New York's


    As expected, the Illinois Senate voted 34-20 on Friday to pass a bill that is even more extreme than New York's infanticide law. The "Reproductive Health Act" repeals the state's ban on partial-birth abortion, allowing abortions through nine months, and requires insurance companies to provide coverage.

    Democrat Governor J.B. Pritzker who has campaigned to make Illinois the most progressive state in the country for abortion hugged and congratulated supporters of the bill on the Senate floor after the vote. Pritzker has vowed to sign it into law.

    As CBN News reported, the bill known as the "Reproductive Health Act" is more extreme than the bill passed in New York earlier this year and would make Illinois "an abortion destination" for the entire country. Abortions would be allowed for any reason and at any time during pregnancy.

    Among other provisions, the amended bill requires private health insurance companies that cover pregnancy-related benefits to cover abortions – even late-term abortions.

    There are no abortion coverage exemptions for churches, religious nonprofits, or pro-life individuals and small business owners.

    The bill even strikes current law that protects parents from having to pay for a child's abortion when performed without parental consent.

    Democrat state Rep. Kelly Cassidy, the bill's sponsor, said, "This is treating abortion care like any other health care."

    "These are horrific days when Illinois lawmakers celebrate eliminating all protections for unborn children, allowing infanticide, removing conscience protection laws for health care workers, and allowing minors to freely obtain abortions without parental notification," Liberty Counsel Founder and Chairman Mat Staver said in a press release. "This has nothing to do with health care. This a crime against humanity. Yet tragically, Governor Pritzker brags about it."



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    I don't think insurance should be required to provide coverage. There are some extreme (re: super rare) circumstances where it could be deemed necessary but requiring them to provide coverage isn't good.
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    Gee maybe Hollywood can move all of their Georgia productions there now.

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