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Originally posted by Chrawnus View PostI would be interest in what passages of scripture you're using on which to base that belief.1Cor 15:34 Come to your senses as you ought and stop sinning; for I say to your shame, there are some who know not God.
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but that won't prevent others from
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Originally posted by tabibito View PostMethinks it would be easier to produce scriptures in support of the pro argument than it would the con. Off the top of my head.
Of course, Obsidian could be thinking of completely different types scripture passages that cannot easily be taken as either poetic, metaphorical or symbolic/apocalyptic, but I have no idea of knowing until/unless he answers my question.
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Originally posted by Chrawnus"But will God indeed dwell on the earth? Behold, heaven and the highest heaven cannot contain you; how much less this house that I have built!"
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Originally posted by Obsidian View Post"God" refers to all three put together. So that verse doesn't really contradict what I said.
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Though the man does not live there, yet the house may be his.
Solomon's prayer in 1 Kings 8 where he states "But will God indeed dwell on the earth? Behold, heaven and the highest heaven cannot contain you; how much less this house that I have built!" (1 Kings 8:27)1Cor 15:34 Come to your senses as you ought and stop sinning; for I say to your shame, there are some who know not God.
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Scripture before Tradition:
but that won't prevent others from
taking it upon themselves to deprive you
of the right to call yourself Christian.
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Originally posted by Chrawnus View PostI would be interest in what passages of scripture you're using on which to base that belief.Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s
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Originally posted by Adrift View PostWait, what? Are Christians in this thread actually suggesting that God the Father is not omnipresent? That He is literally sitting "somewhere," or "someplace?"
The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by Adrift View PostWait, what? Are Christians in this thread actually suggesting that God the Father is not omnipresent? That He is literally sitting "somewhere," or "someplace?"Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s
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Where does the Lord's prayer claim that the Father is?1Cor 15:34 Come to your senses as you ought and stop sinning; for I say to your shame, there are some who know not God.
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Scripture before Tradition:
but that won't prevent others from
taking it upon themselves to deprive you
of the right to call yourself Christian.
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Originally posted by tabibito View PostWhere does the Lord's prayer claim that the Father is?The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Scripture states that God is (though I'm not sure that the word is actually used) omnipresent, but that would be true even if the Father never "set foot out of heaven," provided that at least one member of the Trinity did.
So, is there a scripture somewhere that shows the Father to not be in heaven at some given time, or that he is present on Earth (or someplace else) even while he is in heaven?
Note that here I am only checking the Biblical assertions, not arguing that the Father is only present in heaven. Does scripture itself teach that the Father is omnipresent, whether occasionally or permanently?1Cor 15:34 Come to your senses as you ought and stop sinning; for I say to your shame, there are some who know not God.
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Scripture before Tradition:
but that won't prevent others from
taking it upon themselves to deprive you
of the right to call yourself Christian.
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Originally posted by tabibito View PostScripture states that God is (though I'm not sure that the word is actually used) omnipresent, but that would be true even if the Father never "set foot out of heaven," provided that at least one member of the Trinity did.
So, is there a scripture somewhere that shows the Father to not be in heaven at some given time, or that he is present on Earth (or someplace else) even while he is in heaven?
Note that here I am only checking the Biblical assertions, not arguing that the Father is only present in heaven. Does scripture itself teach that the Father is omnipresent, whether occasionally or permanently?
Psalm 139:7-10 says, "Where can I go from your Spirit? Where can I flee from your presence? If I go up to the heavens, you are there; if I make my bed in the depths, you are there. If I rise on the wings of the dawn, if I settle on the far side of the sea, even there your hand will guide me, your right hand will hold me fast."The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Yup - The Holy Spirit, and therefore God, is omnipresent beyond all doubt. Scripture is less certain about Christ, except as situational (where believers are gathered) + Jesus stating that if he does not return to the Father (Fathers location elsewhere being thereby asserted) the Holy Spirit will not come. Scripture itself doesn't seem to locate the Father as anywhere but heaven.1Cor 15:34 Come to your senses as you ought and stop sinning; for I say to your shame, there are some who know not God.
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Scripture before Tradition:
but that won't prevent others from
taking it upon themselves to deprive you
of the right to call yourself Christian.
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