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    Though the man does not live there, yet the house may be his.

    Solomon's prayer in 1 Kings 8 where he states "But will God indeed dwell on the earth? Behold, heaven and the highest heaven cannot contain you; how much less this house that I have built!" (1 Kings 8:27)
    Hyperbole is not unknown in Old Testament records of prayer.
    1 Cor 15:34 εκνηψατε δικαιως και μη αμαρτανετε αγνωσιαν γαρ θεου τινες εχουσιν προς εντροπην υμιν λεγω

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chrawnus View Post
    I would be interest in what passages of scripture you're using on which to base that belief.
    Christ does say that no one has seen His "form." Suggesting that God does have form, and a form would be localized. Though His power and reach would still be universal.
    Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hqgC1tqifV8

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    Wait, what? Are Christians in this thread actually suggesting that God the Father is not omnipresent? That He is literally sitting "somewhere," or "someplace?"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Adrift View Post
    Wait, what? Are Christians in this thread actually suggesting that God the Father is not omnipresent? That He is literally sitting "somewhere," or "someplace?"
    Not me! And, if I may add just a bit of comic relief, not Father Sarducci, either! In explaining his 5 Minute University, he reveals his Theology Class - God is Everywhere.

    "Neighbor, how long has it been since you’ve had a big, thick, steaming bowl of Wolf Brand Chili?”

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    Quote Originally Posted by Adrift View Post
    Wait, what? Are Christians in this thread actually suggesting that God the Father is not omnipresent? That He is literally sitting "somewhere," or "someplace?"
    I don't think it is either or. God could be local but His power, knowledge and reach are omnipresent.
    Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hqgC1tqifV8

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    Where does the Lord's prayer claim that the Father is?
    1 Cor 15:34 εκνηψατε δικαιως και μη αμαρτανετε αγνωσιαν γαρ θεου τινες εχουσιν προς εντροπην υμιν λεγω

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    Quote Originally Posted by tabibito View Post
    Where does the Lord's prayer claim that the Father is?
    That's His base of operations. He is not confined there.
    "Neighbor, how long has it been since you’ve had a big, thick, steaming bowl of Wolf Brand Chili?”

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    Scripture states that God is (though I'm not sure that the word is actually used) omnipresent, but that would be true even if the Father never "set foot out of heaven," provided that at least one member of the Trinity did.
    So, is there a scripture somewhere that shows the Father to not be in heaven at some given time, or that he is present on Earth (or someplace else) even while he is in heaven?

    Note that here I am only checking the Biblical assertions, not arguing that the Father is only present in heaven. Does scripture itself teach that the Father is omnipresent, whether occasionally or permanently?
    1 Cor 15:34 εκνηψατε δικαιως και μη αμαρτανετε αγνωσιαν γαρ θεου τινες εχουσιν προς εντροπην υμιν λεγω

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    Quote Originally Posted by tabibito View Post
    Scripture states that God is (though I'm not sure that the word is actually used) omnipresent, but that would be true even if the Father never "set foot out of heaven," provided that at least one member of the Trinity did.
    So, is there a scripture somewhere that shows the Father to not be in heaven at some given time, or that he is present on Earth (or someplace else) even while he is in heaven?

    Note that here I am only checking the Biblical assertions, not arguing that the Father is only present in heaven. Does scripture itself teach that the Father is omnipresent, whether occasionally or permanently?
    I think we're trying to hard to compartmentalize God. God, through His Spirit, is....

    Psalm 139:7-10 says, "Where can I go from your Spirit? Where can I flee from your presence? If I go up to the heavens, you are there; if I make my bed in the depths, you are there. If I rise on the wings of the dawn, if I settle on the far side of the sea, even there your hand will guide me, your right hand will hold me fast."
    "Neighbor, how long has it been since you’ve had a big, thick, steaming bowl of Wolf Brand Chili?”

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    Yup - The Holy Spirit, and therefore God, is omnipresent beyond all doubt. Scripture is less certain about Christ, except as situational (where believers are gathered) + Jesus stating that if he does not return to the Father (Fathers location elsewhere being thereby asserted) the Holy Spirit will not come. Scripture itself doesn't seem to locate the Father as anywhere but heaven.
    1 Cor 15:34 εκνηψατε δικαιως και μη αμαρτανετε αγνωσιαν γαρ θεου τινες εχουσιν προς εντροπην υμιν λεγω

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