This was a solid attempt at discourse. Unfortunately, most people are trying to debate abortion or the utility of trying to save lives. Shaking my head...
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Originally posted by guacamole View PostThis was a solid attempt at discourse. Unfortunately, most people are trying to debate abortion or the utility of trying to save lives. Shaking my head...Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
Than a fool in the eyes of God
From "Fools Gold" by Petra
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Originally posted by Mountain Man View PostIt was more an attempt to solve a problem without actually addressing the problem itself while putting one side of the debate at a significant disadvantage."Down in the lowlands, where the water is deep,
Hear my cry, hear my shout,
Save me, save me"
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Originally posted by guacamole View PostThat's the whole frustrating point. No one is arguing that this is the solution to the abortion debate, hence no one is at a significant disadvantage in the abortion debate. It was merely a question of how we can save more lives now. The abortion question is still open.
As I said, pro-abortionists will happily agree to any compromise that doesn't actually prevent abortion, and that's the problem with the premise of this thread.Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
Than a fool in the eyes of God
From "Fools Gold" by Petra
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Originally posted by Mountain Man View PostWell, like I said, any proposal that tries to avoid stepping on the pro-abortionists toes will, I think, be limited and short-lived at best. Case in point, you mentioned making adoption easier, but then on the other side of the equation, Planned Parenthood as the country's largest provider of and advocate for abortion (and from which it gets the majority of its income) actively discourages adoption.
As I said, pro-abortionists will happily agree to any compromise that doesn't actually prevent abortion, and that's the problem with the premise of this thread.
fwiw,
guacamole"Down in the lowlands, where the water is deep,
Hear my cry, hear my shout,
Save me, save me"
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Originally posted by Mountain Man View PostWell, like I said, any proposal that tries to avoid stepping on the pro-abortionists toes will, I think, be limited and short-lived at best. Case in point, you mentioned making adoption easier, but then on the other side of the equation, Planned Parenthood as the country's largest provider of and advocate for abortion (and from which it gets the majority of its income) actively discourages adoption.
As I said, pro-abortionists will happily agree to any compromise that doesn't actually prevent abortion, and that's the problem with the premise of this thread.
fwiw,
guacamole"Down in the lowlands, where the water is deep,
Hear my cry, hear my shout,
Save me, save me"
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Originally posted by guacamole View PostNo one was trying to avoid stepping on anyone's toes.
Unfortunately, the answer, as far as this issue is concerned, is no, we can't. There is no middle ground between good and evil.Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
Than a fool in the eyes of God
From "Fools Gold" by Petra
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Originally posted by guacamole View PostNo one was trying to avoid stepping on anyone's toes.
Unfortunately, the answer, as far as this issue is concerned, is no, we can't. There is no middle ground between good and evil.Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
Than a fool in the eyes of God
From "Fools Gold" by Petra
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Originally posted by Mountain Man View PostThat was the premise of carpe's thought experiment. "Can't we all just get along?"
Unfortunately, the answer, as far as this issue is concerned, is no, we can't. There is no middle ground between good and evil."Down in the lowlands, where the water is deep,
Hear my cry, hear my shout,
Save me, save me"
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Originally posted by guacamole View PostEven if it would save lives...The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by Cow Poke View PostPretend you like me. Explain how "civil discussion" of this thing will "save lives". That's the main thing Carpe said that I never got."Down in the lowlands, where the water is deep,
Hear my cry, hear my shout,
Save me, save me"
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Originally posted by guacamole View PostThe point of the discussion was to find policies that, barring a complete reversal of Roe v. Wade, might help save lives, if that is what is important.
What 'civil discussion' changes that? And I'm not trying to argue - I'm sincerely puzzled what this exercise was supposed to achieve? What lives will be "saved" beyond those already being saved by the pro-life efforts?The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by Cow Poke View PostSo, how is that not one-sided?
One side is already committed to saving lives,
What 'civil discussion' changes that?
And I'm not trying to argue - I'm sincerely puzzled what this exercise was supposed to achieve? What lives will be "saved" beyond those already being saved by the pro-life efforts?
fwiw,
guac."Down in the lowlands, where the water is deep,
Hear my cry, hear my shout,
Save me, save me"
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Originally posted by guacamole View PostEven if it would save lives...Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
Than a fool in the eyes of God
From "Fools Gold" by Petra
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Originally posted by guacamole View PostThe exercise was to brainstorm other ways we could save lives. It's up to us to act on them at the grassroots level if we want to see any action. The lives "saved" are those saved that would be lost if the challenges to Roe fall through.
And, as noted, many of us are already "in the trenches" at the grassroots level, actually saving lives, not just discussing it.The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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