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Maine Senate passes bill giving state's electoral votes to national pop vote winner
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The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by Sparko View Postcompete morons. They just gave away their state sovereignty and their own citizen's votes. Even if everyone in their state voted for candidate X and candidate Y got more votes in other states, they will invalidate every vote in their state for that other candidate. wow.
ETA - so it isn't official yet. The governor could still not sign the bill. But she is democratic, so that's probably not much hope.
The Maine Senate on Tuesday approved a bill that would pledge the state’s Electoral College votes for president to the candidate who wins the popular vote across the country.
If the House and Governor pass and sign the bill, Maine will becomes the fourteenth state, in addition to Washington, DC, to join the National Popular Vote interstate compact. This is an agreement among the 14 states to give their electoral College votes to the popular vote winner.
ETA: Oooooooops!!! "The Maine House consists of 151 individuals, (88 Democrats, 56 Republicans, 5 Independents, and 1 Common Sense Independent and currently 1 Vacancy)"The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by Cow Poke View PostThis would normally take a complainant 'with standing' - somebody from the state of Maine who has 'suffered wrong' - such as having voted for the candidate who won the popular vote, but would have otherwise lost the electoral college vote.
And what a mess that court battle would be.Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
Than a fool in the eyes of God
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Originally posted by Mountain Man View PostI think you mean the other way around: someone who voted for a candidate who would have won the electoral college but ended up losing when all the state's electoral college votes were given to the popular vote winner.
And what a mess that court battle would be.The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by mikewhitney View PostThere may be grounds for violation of the Constitution here. We are guaranteed to have a Republic form of government. This means that the attempt to push things to a democracy has directly violated this constitutional obligation of these states
Furthermore, states absolutely have the right to enact something like this by another part of the constitution: "Each State shall appoint, in such Manner as the Legislature thereof may direct, a Number of Electors, equal to the whole Number of Senators and Representatives to which the State may be entitled in the Congress"
States can choose them however they want. Their legislatures could vote on who the electors are themselves (which was in fact how some states handled it in the past!). They could set it up so the electors are randomly chosen from among the populace. They could even have it decided on a game of Rock Papers Scissors. Having it decided by the popular vote is absolutely permitted by the Constitution.Last edited by Terraceth; 05-16-2019, 10:56 PM.
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Originally posted by Cow Poke View PostI had to do a double take on that, myself. I wanted to believe it was just a case of "all the electoral votes" for that particular state would go with the popular vote of that particular state.
Yeah, that.
I'm hoping this will be contested, and SCOTUS will stop this insanity. (one can hope)
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Originally posted by Sparko View PostIt would be hilarious if Trump won the popular vote and California and New York had to give him their electoral votes since they signed this pact.That's what
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Originally posted by Bill the Cat View PostThey would repeal it in a midnight emergency meeting...Veritas vos Liberabit<>< Learn Greek <>< Look here for an Orthodox Church in America<><Ancient Faith Radio
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Originally posted by One Bad Pig View PostLegally, that's even sketchier than what they're doing in the first place.
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Originally posted by Sparko View PostYep. If they are passing laws to that effect like Maine might, then they have a legal obligation that they can't really back out of at the last minute. But they would probably do it anyway.Veritas vos Liberabit<>< Learn Greek <>< Look here for an Orthodox Church in America<><Ancient Faith Radio
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Originally posted by One Bad Pig View PostThey'd get sued by someone to block it - and as something impacting a federal election, it would probably end up before the Supreme Court if it got that far. I don't see even a liberal court allowing a retroactive change like that.
Oh WAIT -- that last part's already happened!The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by Cow Poke View PostWe're going to end up in a place where the President Elect won't be able to take office for MONTHS while the lawyers and courts battle out all the entanglements, and/or he/she will be declared an illegitimate POTUS.
Oh WAIT -- that last part's already happened!Veritas vos Liberabit<>< Learn Greek <>< Look here for an Orthodox Church in America<><Ancient Faith Radio
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Originally posted by One Bad Pig View PostWell, it would happen in this case IF there's a difference between outcomes in the EC and popular vote AND the blue state's preferred candidate lost the popular vote.The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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